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Well, what do you think...should the "Boss" trade Soriano? I believe it would be in the Yankees best interest to do so. It's evident that this guy doesnt get it. Sure, he is one heck of a ball player, but he just is not a team player IMHO. If they can get Vazquez from Montreal I would pull the trigger, though I wouldnt do it for Schilling. Only 97 more days till pitchers and catchers....yeeha!!
 

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Last season (2002) when he was the star on the team, I would have said, no way, this guy is the future. But after the miserable second half and playoffs this past season, if you can get a better player who is more consistent, I think you have to do it. But, his failure only contributed to the Yanks Futility in the Post season, you can't make him the sole scapegoat. I would worry about my pitching first.....no Roger, No Wells.....Pettite going to the Astros? You have bigger problems right now. Mussina is the only lock right now.

Scull, don' sell Schilling short, he is a work horse and would only be better in the AL where he didn't have to run the bases. I'd love to have him on my team.
 

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Craig...

I like Schilling a lot, just think his age is a serious drawback. If they can get Schilling for less (Jeff Weaver would be fine with me) they should go for it. Schilling is going to be 37 in February, while Vasquez is 27. The one " question mark" here is...will Vasquez be a New York kind of guy...pressure et.al. We know Schilling can handle it. I would hate to have two "Mr Weavers"....lol

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Look at it this way...a guy named Roger Clemens came in here in the twilight of his career and dazzled. Schilling has a ring and has been one hell of as consistent top pitcher for the last 10 years....you know he can handle it, you can get 3 years out of him....why not go for a sure thing?
 

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Soriano Vs Aaron-162 game avg

Hank Aaron

162 Game Avg AB 607 R 107 H185 2B 31 3B 5 HR 37
RBI 113 SB 12 CS 4 BB69

SO 68 BA.305 OBP.374 SLG.555 TB337


Alfonso Soriano

650 105 185 40 3 32 87 39 12 29 139 .284 .322 .502

326


He stacks up pretty good against Hammerin Hank.
 

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Trade Fonzie?---No way no how is that going to happen. It really annoys me when people condem a guy because had a bad finish or did not play up to his potential. YES...he does need to be more patient at the plate and stop swinging at bad pitches, but I would not trade him even for Schilling. I would however trade Weaver for 2 hot dogs and a cold beer.
 

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leigh...here's a trade for you...Jeff Weaver, Alfonso Soriano for Pedro Martinez, 2 hotdogs and a cold beer....

Still wont do it?....:D
 

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I'm with you LP....to trade this guy would be nuts. 38HR's and 30+ stolen bases and he can't hack it. From a second baseman! NO way. He's TOO young and TOO talented to give up on now. He's a special player who had his first slump. Don't forget guys were talking about him for league MVP earlier this year. I think he'll have a great year next year...Let's see

P.S.: Earthy, a 37yr. old pitcher isn't " a sure thing." Ask Tom Glavine.
 

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he's outta here...

Leigh

I believe he is history so to speak. One night (I work nights) while listening to the "FAN", in late August I heard a conversation between station host Joe Baningo and Post columnist Joel Sherman.

Sherman reported that he had it on competent authority that they were shopping Soriano. Sherman claimed that "yankee brass" were done trying to get through to him. He wants to hit HR's so he can get lots of $$$$$ and doesnt care about the team concept. Supposedly, he wont listen anymore to Willie Randolph telling him "I dont get paid for my glove".

He went on to state the even Torre has had it with him and is more than willing to move him if a good cituation presents itself. In his words he is "uncoachable".

Give me team players every time....Brosius, Martinez, O'Neill; all were a special breed of ballplayers who came through in the clutch playing team baseball.

Hey Nick....how many World Series rings does Aaron have? One, 1957. Winning is what its all about. Once heard Ernie Banks say he would trade his two MVP awards for one world series ring. Fill my roster with those type of guys.

I like Soriano, but I am not in love with him anymore.....IF they can make a GOOD deal, I think it should be done.

How many World Series have we won with Soriano at second base. nada...zilch...zip...zero. Goodbye lol.
 

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Scully,
I too prefer a guy who is a team player rather than a soloist, however I think that Fonzie just needs to do some maturing. I dont see that trading him would help the team unless we can convince A-Rod to play 2nd base--thats a trade I WOULD make.

Joe P,
I have said this before & will repeat it special for you.
That miserable piece of $#!+ slime bag Martinez will NEVER wear pinstripes---EVER! He is however the type of quality player the Red Sox like to have. He and Manny make quite a pair.
PS: Your Triton is ugly!:p LOL So there!
 

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if the Yanks trade Soriano they will regret it. Schilling would be a great pick up he's still a horse and he knows his baseball history and would like the Yankees legacy thing. Don't start with the Pedro is a &%%$ slimeball crap i've agreed not to call Zimmer a &%#$ old Fool. I thought Fonzie was Edgardo Alfonso?
 

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OK Bink....I will keep my bad thoughts about about Pedro to myself....then again...Zim was an old fool!
 

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a nice piece of trivia

Curt Schilling has two children; a boy and a girl. The boys name is Gehrig Schilling and the girls name is Ruth Schilling....I kid you not.

Hey bink.....how does it feel to belong to the Red Sox nation....? You guys wouldnt know what to do if the Sox ever won the series. You should thank us for all those years of misery...lol We would be more than happy to accomodate you next year as well. I like Pedro in Boston....it means a W in the win column when we face him...it's the "knuckleballer" that we cant beat...

Oh...thats right we did beat him game 7....lol
 

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To trade Soriano would be ludicris! The stats are there and as far as inconsistency and a terrible post season go, it is only his second season. He is 25 years old(if they're not lying and anyway can't be older than 28) and has a tremendous upswing career wise. Should he be a lead off hitter? No, not barring a major change in batting style. If someone said to trade him last season, Yankee fans like me would have had their head on a platter. I'm with Leigh, the only way I would trade Sori is if they could get A-rod to play second but I've decided to wake up now..............LOL
 

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Only the Yankee brass know what they have. If it's true
that he refuses to be a team player,I would trade him yesterday.
They won't go anywhere with a selfish player,so why waste time.........potential means he hasn't done it yet,and may never
after seeing his pitiful performance this year........not enough
RBI's for the amouny of home runs he hit.......not clutch
and way too many K's.
 

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I find it very hard to believe any of those stories about Soriano.....

I doubt very much if he is "uncoachable"......

to not give this guy another season to straighten out if poor baseball judegement....the upside is just too high here....
 

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Mike,
I would hardly say that Soriano's performance was "pitiful" this year even if he did strike out a lot. The man hit over 30 home runs, drove in over 80 runs and batted about 285 or so. Its also not his fault that most of his homers came with the bases emptly or only 1 on.
 

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Nick, lets see how the numbers are after his career is done, I guarrantee your comparison to Hank Aaron is a bit premature. Hank will win out in the end.
granted, the point I was trying to make is you gotta be kidding if you want totrade this guy. But hey, what do I care, I'm a Mets fan.
 

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He swings for the fences on every pitch,hence all the k's.
He can't say the word "bunt"...........with his speed,that would add 20 points to his avg. Not a leadoff hitter at all.........
If he didn't learn team play at Triple A,he isn't willing
to try it at the major level,judging by his performance this
year........while he hit homers,he was unreliable in clutch and
wayy too streaky.......homers mean nothing(see Dave Kingman
and Dick Stuart) if you're weak in the fundamentals.
Judging by poor post season,I wonder if league has him
figured out....throw him high and hard,watch him walk to the
dugout..........if he doesn't adjust FAST,you won't be able to
give him away next year.......btw,Soriano.......it's also ok
to run hard on every play,rather than a slow lazy trot to first.
I was at a game this year where Mazzili came over to him twice in one game after failing to run out grounders.
 
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