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It's been reported on the news that the authorities have found a book with the names and cycles of athletes on steroids in Barry Bonds personal trainer's home. The questions that have come up are:
1) Should the names of the athletes listed be published.
2) Should these same athletes, those that have any type of records, have an aterisk next to their names in the record books
3) My own question, who cares? Does it bother you that there are athletes out there juicing it for their sport? Is this a surprise?


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My first concern is for thier long term safety my second concern is if say Bonds is a heavy user his records must be astricked(*) if you dont you are saying the use of drugs is acceptable maybe not encouraged but accepted. Baseball has such crappy rules when it comes to drugs(strong union) they should have been on this 10 years ago.
 

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Food for thought.
Were Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Joe DiMaggio, Lou Gherig, Sandy Kofax et al on stroids? I think not.
 

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Babe Ruth was on hot dogs! LOL......

just look at the new Steroid "Rules"....a joke! very little punishment, numerous warnings, no publication of the transgressors......

a joke and a slap on the wrist for these guys.... Baseball knows which side their bread is buttered on......people love runs and homers.....just like Wrestling with big bodies and muscles, and Football , and so on.......part of the game, and it brings money into the game regardless of the future health of the athelete......
 

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These guys get paid to play at a high level. Enhancement drugs help them achieve that. As long as these substances are not illegal by law, is there a reason not to let them use these enhancers? They are grown men and can worry about the risks for themselves.......I'm not going to worry about it. The only league that has a grasp on chemical use is the NFL. These days, you can barely have a protien shake w/o being suspended. The problem in baseball is that the League has denied the use of these compounds for years. The 5 or 6% that tested positive in the small sample of players is an aberation. The number is no doubt substantially larger than that. You have to do one of two things: A-outlaw them and all other drugs outright and impose heavy fines and suspensions....that will never happen because the p[layer unions look out for their own and would never subject its members to embarrassment. or B deal with it like it is. Which means turn a deaf ear on it.
 

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I have to disagree with you EW on one small point. Yes they are grown up men but even grown men need to be steered or helped. If you have a friend with a drinking problem do you say "he's a man he knows the risks"? Of course those numbers are low the 5% were the stupid ones,these guys were given a lot of time before being told of the upcoming test and the actual testing. If you can come up with a designer drug you can come up with a designer mask for drug tests.
 

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Phil, I can't compare this to a guy with a drinking problem or hard drug problem because the actions of those individuals can clearly hurt other people and most often do. I'm sure a mask is already being worked on. My point is soley directed towards what these athletes do behind closed doors to themsleves w/o affecting anyone else. I think that enhacing drug use among ball players is far greater than anyone imagined. Guys like Canseco and Caminetti and even Wells have already wrote about it in books.
 

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Mask

I'm sure a mask is already being worked on.
Not a mask, but a cleaner ... Golden Seal.

I had a ******* living up the street from me. When he got the big contract, $$$, he rented his house to his brother, who had frequent visits from BIG dudes for 10-20 minutes 24/7.

One day ATF and the local sherrif was staking the house out. When the brother and wife got home, it was like an episode of bad boyz.

The law looks at 'roids as an illegal substance and will prosectute to the maximum.

One of my biggest pet peeves is sport figures, who are the idols of many, especially the youth, getting busted for drugs, rape, etc. and getting off scott free. :cussing: What sort of message are we sending our youth? It's ok as long as you're rich and famous?

Tell that to Michael Jackson.
 
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