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Like many (if not all) of you, I recently received the new Bass Pro Shops master fishing catalog. I found a few new products I had not seen before that caught my interest. I decided to open them up to the NYBass crew to see what you folks thought of them.

The first and most interesting (if not the most enticing) of these products in the new BronzeBack series of fishing rods from G. Loomis. These rods are made specifically for smallmouth bass fishing. They are located on page 147 of the new catalog (unfortunately they are not on BPS's website and Loomis' website is down as I write this).

I admit to being a big fan of Loomis' products. I swear by one of their surf rods, and plan on buying an IMX series baitcasting rod this winter. I have also been interested in their new lines designed solely for crankbait or spinnerbait fishing. I can understand creating a series of rods for those puposes. Cranking requires a certain type of action and power so that you can fish big bulky baits more easily and not rip baits away from the fish on hooksets. Spinnerbait fishing requires a rod built for accurate casting. So in a sense these specializations are defendable principles.

But a rod line for smallies? I'm not sure I'm buying that idea. The marketing shpeal talks of, "special rods made specifically to help special anglers catch special fish." They claim to do this by having, "quick tips for great feel," and "no loss of power through the backbone." They also claim to have "actions suitable for everything from light-lining tube baits, to slow rolling spinnerbaits, to burning deep-diving cranks."

That all sounds nice, but I am again left wondering what makes these rods so specialized for smallmouth fishing? I believe in Loomis and know that they make top quality rods, but I'm not too interested in these in particular.

The Particulars:

Price Range: $205.00-$230.00
Available In: Spinning and Baitcasting 5'10" - 7'7" (also have a flyrod version)
They come in a wide range of actions and powers as well.

Any feedback is appreciated. I'll try to post a link as soon as I can.

Mark

Next Up... One crazy looking buzzbait from Bill Dance

Down the road... A $17.00 multi jointed crankbait from Lucky Craft
 

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A gimmick IMHO , sounds like a marketing ploy now that bass fishing is going mainstream more than ever before....
 

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Mark G said:
"special rods made specifically to help special anglers catch special fish."
What is a special angler? Wait I know, they name streets after them.

This sounds like Madison Avenue BS. IMHO.
 

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well: let's see......I use Loomis .....and I am ( ahem ) a special angler! LOL....

I don't see any problem! HAHAHAHAH....

actually: what they are doing is trying to stay fresh....like the dropshot rods of last year....

many of their newer things are made upon numerous user requests, not at random........

whether a smallie needs a medium "smallie " loomis or just a plain medium IMX or whatever remains to be seen, however, when you put your hands on them at the Rockland show, you can be assured that they will be top notch quality no matter what....

the prices are consistent for that level of rod in the Loomis lineup......
 

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like I always maintained, I think the whole Loomis concept is a crock. They, to me are the Senko of rods, top dollar and can you honestly tell me they are the best out there. I own a Loomis, yamamoto rod. It is a good rod but not the best I own. My best rod costs 1/2 the price.

That stupid buzzbait is ridiculous!
 

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I have been told by G-loomis that all of their "specific series rods", including the Cranbait Series that i am buying into, are just GL3 blends of graphite...

They did not specify whether they use different blends per series, but i didn't ask, as i am only interested in the crankers...I think Loomis, like all rod manufacturers, try a little too hard in "over- customizing" their series rods...I cant see a reason why i wouldn't use the rods i am using now, or the ones you are using Mark, any differently for SMB...We catch plenty of them just fine with a lot of different techniques to boot...Although, I still think i catch more...lol...

Look more closely at the tapers, powers and lengths of these rods, as compared to other prospective rod purchases, as well as the ones you already have now, then decide if the science is there to justify the purchase...

BTW, where the F_ _ _ ya been ?...I still got your Scorpion...Final testing will occur next week, and i'll get it back to you asap...


Mark D
 

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Special smallie rods????

I love these marketing ploys, I guess my St. Croix and Shimano rods are now not good enough to catch smallmouth bass, although I have caught them for years on lesser quality rods, put on your boots boys the tackle manufacturer BS is getting deep now!!!

Add the Bill Dance buzzbait and you better put on the waders, wait though the year has not started yet, I am sure Roland Martin will have something to sell soon so you might want to break out the life rafts, so we don't drowned in the BS!!!!

I'm sure though that they will sell to those less knowledgable, I almost bet if GLoomis put out a bamboo rod with string tied to it with a safety pin for a hook for $200 and called it a special salmon rod, there would be those that would buy it:D
 

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More Marketing BS !!!

It's all about Marketing.....an attempt by Shimano/Loomis to gain back their reputation ! Here are some facts to digest......

Since Shimano acquired G Loomis, the quality control and customer service have taken a tremendous downward spiral. The majority of all custom rod builders have been complaining about receiving "warped" blanks and have switched to using Rainshadow, Rouge, Shikari, GUSA, etc., for their blank choice. In addition, most have noticed excessive glue, poor thread wrap and misaligned guides on a large number of production Loomis rods. However, the biggest complaint among Loomis aficionados is when Shimano decided to replace the highly prized "weibe" handle design with the Fuji ECS handle on the casting rods !

Shimano recently brought back Gary Loomis to to the company to bolster their sliding reputation. What is interesting is that Gary was given a "promotional position" where he will attend trade shows but have no say in the rod development aspect. Also, there have been recent rumors that Shimano may sell their interest in Loomis.....stay tuned !

Ronnie
 

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They, to me are the Senko of rods, top dollar and can you honestly tell me they are the best out there
I agree with you, Craig, on the Loomis rods. They're top dollar, but really, not the best out there.

but the Senko is the best out there, the original, and all the knock offs are well....a copy , but not quite like a Senko. close but not quite.....

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I happened to be in Northern Bass Supply about 6 weeks ago when the Loomis rep was dropping off the Smallmouth rods. After my friend and I looked at them(they are nice) my buddy told the rep he thought it was a crock of shite and a scam to get the guy who thinks that the "old" loomis rods were largemouth rods only to buy new rods. The rep really didnt have any real reasons for the name Smallmouth other than to target us in the Northeast. Loomis makes a nice rod but I own none of them and for me $225 is alot of money for a fishing rod.
 

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This is all very interesting.........I do not own any Loomis rods simply because of the crazy prices. A kid like myself doesn't have $300 lying around to spend on a rod. I have heard they are great rods and extremly light, but how much further ahead of the other quality brands can they be. I'm sure within the next few years, when I can afford them, I will add a few Loomis rods to my collection, but for now I see no extreme need to.

A special smallmouth rod sounds to me like a heavy duty marketing scheme. If they want to call a medium action rod with a fast taper and heavy butt section "specially desinged for smallmouth" they can, but many other companies make a similar, if not identical rod, and simply call it a "medium action rod with a fast taper and a heavy butt section". If thats the case, every many companies makes a rod "specially desinged for smallmouth fishing".

Having felt Loomis rods before, I agree they are great, but to come out with a model similar to other models produced by other companies and say it is specially designed for smallie fishing is a complete sales gimick.

As for the Bill Dance buzzbait, I almost peed my pants laughing when I first saw it. It comes in an 11" or an 18" version. LOL. That's funny. I think that would be a great example of a lure built to catch fisherman and not fish. Wouldn't that long arm bend very easily causing it to run incorrectly? Unless it is made out of Titanium and made much shorter I would not spend my money on such a thing. That bait claims to dance behind the blade, this I can see happening, but after one fish the wire would bend and it would all go downhill from there. I could forsee a 6" or 7" version of that made out of Titanium, but I think a foot and a half is pushing it way to far!!! This is a very intersting thread, lets keep it going. - Fishinut
 

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you guys are all nuts!!! it's one thing to say you can catch fish the same with other rods...naturally, I will grant all of you that....but Loomis? they are just fantastic rods no matter how you look at it....

the price is the main deterrent.....not the rod.....

if money was no objective why not the best of everything?

I would have 10 Stellas and 10 Magnesium Bait casters.....why not??

we all have our budgets from small to large, and so we have to stay within them and stay realistic.....

but it is foolish to downgrade one of the finest if not the finest made rods on the market.....that is like Aesop's fable with the Fox and the Grapes.....after the fox couldn't reach the grapes after jumping a million times, he walked away and said..."they were probably sour anyway".......

don't call the rods sour, if they are beyond your budget....you have to fish with these rods EXTENSIVELY to really compare them.... I have fished with every single rod virtually made and nothing compares to the Loomis for me.....did I fish well with the others? SURE!!!!

but it is a pleasure to fish with rods so light and sensitive yet strong....

it may not be for all your applications, but I assure you, anyone out there, there is a loomis for some application that will run rings around your other rods for over-all all day comfort.......

why not have the lightest baby possible?

same for the REELS: why not have 10 of those 5 ounce magnesium reels....hell........but the investment is enormous....

but it doesn't take away from the quality of that reel....

are they all overpriced.....OF COURSE.... what isn't in top line mechandise.... we are overpaying all the time......

guys: let's keep it real on this post

Preference is subjective and anyone's choice...

I might PREFER not to have a LEXUS, for whatever reason, my prerogative, but to call a LEXUS a junk car is Ignorance in my book......

give me solid comparative IN THE FIELD reasons why you prefer other rods to Loomis, but don't call them overrated junk.....please..........
 

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if money was no objective why not the best of everything?


John, who says Loomis are the best? You are assuming that because it has a high price tag that it is the best quality. That is not necessarily so.....I mean just because a rod is expensive it doesn't mean it is great. I do think they are extremely over rated. You pay for a name on this one. Is Loomis using some space aged material that no other company uses? I do not think so. They use IM graphite just like anyone else. Do they wrap it better? Are the Guides better? The answer is no. I've fished better graphite rods for a fraction of the price.

I have taken a liking to the Johnny Morris HM-85 titanium rods at BPS. For 149.00 they are fantastic rods. I prefer not to spend that much money though. But you can't tell me that for the extra 150.00, the Loomis is going to make me a better fisherman, I don't buy it. I will not call them junk but they are not in a class by themselves as far as performance and quality is concerned. The one I have is OK but not great and I got it dirt cheap in a trade or I'd never have it at all.

My advice is save your money, buy a good middle of the road performer and invest in a dynamite reel. Much more important.

Value is an important selling point and these rods are no value to the paying consumer.....as far as bang for the buck goes. They are good rods but their performance does not dictate their pricetag. That is the bottom line!
 

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if money was no objective why not the best of everything?
we are not calling Loomis junk, John. And yes , even if I had the money to buy a couple of these babies, I would not do so. The Falcons work for me, the JM's work for Craig.

call us savvy rod buyers. why spend all those dollars on a rod where you can spend it on something else that works basically the same?

Loomis is supposedly light and tough? Just how much of a difference? Certainly, not worth the extra 75 -150 dollars from my Falcons.

Sure, it looks great on your deck with all those Loomis rods layed out . So now picture this, on your right, you got your LM Loomis rods and to your left are your SM Loomis rods? Whats going to happen if you hook a largie on your SM rod? Uh,oh, Mr. Loomis is going to scratch his head on that one....

Its blatant commercialism , John. Targetting uneducated anglers....with lots of dough to spare...
 

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LOL, good point Joe.
You can't justify the extra money....your getting a quality rod, just like some of the less expensive rods. But is it better? I doubt it. John, about weight, if a Loomis is lighter, we are talking a fraction of an ounce. Non of us are that sensitive that we would even be aware of that.

"Sure, it looks great on your deck with all those Loomis rods layed out ."

But it hurts twice as bad when you accidentally catapult one of them into the drink.
 

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dont get me wrong....any of you rich guys willing to donate a couple of loomis rods......Ill take 'em....LOL
 

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exactly my point Joe!!

if you guys feel that the quality doesn't justify the money charge, that is certainly your entitled view of it.....

it's just that the way this thread was going, it was making these rods seem like a sham which they are far from.......

I am defending a great product, I am NOT defending their price......

Craig: who makes those Johnny Morris rods for BPS??
could be ALL STAR, or even ST CRoix.......at any rate, a 150 dollar top of the line BPS, is probably comparable to a close to 200 name brand........
 

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Just to chime in on GLoomis:

Best to do comparisons to the GLX models, a very high quality blank. Some of the lower grades (GL3, GL2) are less responsive (and though cheaper, probably not worth the coin).

Earthworm77, your Yamamoto dropshot rod uses IMX, the grade below GLX.

I think that most if not all of them go for less than $200 on the GYCB site.

That rod (using Loomis blanks but not manufactured by Loomis, I think) seems like an esoteric choice to use as a starting point to downgrade the whole line.

And the SiC guides on the GLX models are of a higher quality than those of most rods: harder and better at heat dispersion than anything by BPS or Falcon.

I use the best quality rods I can afford. I used to use nothing but BPS extremes. They are my guest rods now. When I use them it's like going back to dial-up internet connection.

Of course, there folks who can catch more and bigger fish than I can using their old Zebcos. More power to 'em.

Good equipment is certainly not going to make me catch any fewer fish than I would have otherwise.

I'm with JohnG.


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If money was no object

John,

A Lexus is nothing more than an overpriced Toyota and what was Toyota a little more than 2 decades ago.....nothing more than our recycled beer cans sent back to us as Japanese junk!!! now if you are comparing Rolls Royce to a Kia, they are no more than middle of the road, probably even closer to the Kia than the Rolls though.

Same with GLoomis rods, they are not the best, much more likened to the middle of the road recycled beer can Lexus, if money is no object than I want the best, I want it custom fit to my specs and for $200+ I can find better custom built rods, at least a Mercedes or BMW type.

Besides do you think a smallie knows the differance if you are using a GLoomis Smallmouth rod, GLoomis Largemouth rod or a $10 South Bend rod, the Kia of all rods.

Again if GLoomis marketed a bamboo rod with string tied to it and a safety pin as a hook I am sure they would get sales, just because it says "GLoomis"
 
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