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Yes, the fish...

Are still there...The lake level is down about 2-3ft right now. Try fishing spinnerbaits and soft plastics along the many drop-offs that are there. The water is gin clear right now. Long casts will help if the fish are a bit spooky...Good luck
 

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Is it worth trying tiorati when the water i rough? Also is there a specific plastic or spinner bait color that works the best at tiorati?
 

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match the hatch

Because of the clear h2o i would use natural color baits.Something to mimik the bait fish.Gold,silver,blue,brown,perch,green,.etc
 

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4Life: from your questions, I gather your life hasn't been too long yet! LOL.... I am assuming that you are a young person...

however, if you had filled out your Profile properly, then we would have know that, right?

traditionally here at NYBass, we like to see new posters tell a lot more about themselves, fishing wise at least....

you started with a one line request.....recently I have been deleting those....however, why don't you come back on and tell us a little more.....

your resources ( fishing wise), boats access, equipment or whatever and et cetera , it would really help a lot....

if you are very young and just starting out in general, talk about that too...no problem there, but you have to give us a little more about yourself and in a friendly manner if you wish people to want to respond to your post...

thanks!
 

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so you want to know a little bit about me well ok. I am 14 and I have been fishing with my dad for a few years now, and this is our first year with a boat. This fall season we have been struggling to catch fish. We have gone to tiorati a few times in October and for some reason we haven't had much luck. So I was wondering if anyone could give us a few tips.
 

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Do I know this board now or what? LOL....


Okay, my friend, you have given us a great start.....

first of all, I am very glad that you get out and share time with your Dad like that, quality time that both of you will never forget.....

I assume then, that you have been fishing from shore, which , as you can see now on a boat, is a whole different thing.....

but the boat does give you access to deeper water, and deeper water means knowing what is on the lake bottom....

that brings us to Maps and Sonar.....

do you have contour maps of the Harriman water systems? they are all featured in Jack Stewarts fine book that he puts out every year....

also, what kind of sonar are you using?

You see, guys like Cast Away that answered your first question, he has spent years and years studying lakes like Tiorati, combining map study, sonar study and just plain time on the water, and right now, he has a firm idea of what all the underwater contours look like...when he is fishing deep water in Tiorati, he is never fishing blind.....I know that is a hard concept to see, but when he is fishing a certain structure 25 feet deep, for him, it is no different than pitching to an obvious shoreline thing, say , a laydown tree....

again , this comes from a lot of hard work......not so easy to explain, in just one little thread....

but lets start at the beginning, by letting us know if you have map access and what kind of sonar your Dad has and if he is confident in reading it and using it....

see, these are the basics and the right way to start to uncover methods at a lake like Tiorati at this time of the year.....if it was spring, you could just bang the shoreline, but now, you have to really know the deep water better and what is there for starting points....

trust me: THAT WILL GET YOU WAY MORE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION THAN JUST A LURE OR A LURE COLOR......

once you learn how to target fish in such a lake in mid Fall, there are dozens of lures and color choices that will get the job done...

anyone simply giving you a lure or color is shortchanging you here, there is way more to learn in approach to your current problem....


keep the dialogue alive on this thread, do not be overwhelmed...come back at us, and maybe get your Dad to register and join in on this thread also, and you guys will go a long way to properly learn how to approach such a water as Tiorati right now, and the knowledge will go a long way towards your understanding of other waters!!!!


C'mon, keep it going........
 

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The struggles still continue. Went to Tiorati and Welch yesterday and caught nothing. me and my dad can't figure out what we are doing wrong. In Tiorati we fished all over. We even found the bait fish the bass should be feeding on, and still we didn't catch a bass. After being on Tiorati for a long time we decided to go to Welch. Welch conditions were good the water was calm and cold, but still didn't catch a fish. At both lakes we tried every kind of bait we had.

Besides the fact that we didn't caught a fish does anyone know where we can buy a book that has contour maps of Harriman state park, and other lakes around here.
 

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the book is by Jack Stewart of Stewart Marine.....it is carried by many local tackle shops and is always on sale at the big fishing expo at Rockland County Community College in the beginning of March each year......

hey Hugefish, are you out there reading this thread, do you think you could help this nice Father and son team out?
 

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John...I certainly don't have any maps...but I have alot of experience fishing Lake Welch. As John G mentioned, fall fishing can be a little tricky. In order for me to better help you, why don't you go into specifics as to what types of lures you were using and what areas of Welch you fished. Are you using sonar...etc? The more information you provide as to what didn't work, the more I can tailor my response.
 

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Yesterday at Welch we fished by the dam, the boathouse, off the beach, and by the islands. We were using a yellow terminator spinner bait, the bomber crank bait, and lipless cranks. Also to answer your other question we do not use sonar.
 

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I would stongly suggest you beg your father to get sonar. It will help you to eliminate unproductive water on Welch. Now unproductive does not mean non-productive. Fish can be caught anywhere on the lake give the appropriate conditions, but sonar can help you to locate specific bottom structure such as humps and drop-off where fish will hold. For example, at this particular time of year you can catch fish on the crankbaits you were using on Welch....but the key is to fish the right areas to increase your odds. The beach area is an excellent place to fish and has been very productive this year. However, the most productive areas are located pretty far offshore from the beach. A large flat of 5-6 foot water extends out on the east side of the beach. This flat drops off into deeper water. The most productive water is where that drop off occurs. There are also a couple of other key features on that drop off like large rocks. You will be hard pressed to find these areas without sonar.

Similarly, on the north side of the island there is a long point that extends way out...this is another productive area. Need sonar to pinpoint.

Once you get some sonar and you catch fish while using it...pay special attention to what depth of water you where in and what the bottom contour was.

Also, although some may disagree, I never found Welch to be a good spinnerbait lake, unless you go under the roadway to weedy side. They can be quite good there. On the main lake the will cathc fish but other lures in the fall like crankbaits, tubes, grubs and jig-n-pigs are probably better choices.

Finally, please understand that fall fishing can be difficult at times.

Hope that helps.
 

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i can't help but wonder when somebody is going to tell f4lifw to throw a senko.LOL

f4life, read these post good and write down some notes. huge and john G know what they are talking about. and before you know it you will be telling us how to catch fish on lake tiorati.
 

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thank you Huge for your excellent interpretation......


my God, the importance of Sonar in fall fishing!!!! I would rather not go out on the water at all this time of the year , than to go out without a sonar!

4Life: if you follow the threads on the other forums here at NyBass, there is one by MikeyD where he talks about a DVD he is releasing very soon about sonar usuage and interpretation....

this would be a must view for you! you will learn a ton from it!
 

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hey kevin

hey kev, its me kevin l. yea tiorati's not producing this year, as a matter of fact most of the lakes arent. can anyone tell me why? was it because of the tons of snow we got during the winter?
 

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It is likely that the high water screwed things up. If you find the baitfish but the bass aren't on them, back off and look for the first piece of deep structure you can find in the area, it is likely that this will unlock the puzzle in fall.
 

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hey earthworm , you know any other good places to fish around our area?
 

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My dad and I are looking at buying a depth/fish finders for next year, and I was wondering if anyone knew of one that will get the job done and that is not that expensive.
 

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the number one recommendation here at NyBass.com for overall quality without getting too high in price is the Fishmark 320 by Eagle.....it has the same display as many very higher priced models.....right now, it is 200 dollars.....a steal......spending less on a sonar sometimes ends up as wasted money...we have several threads about this in the Tackles and Tactics section...use the search function and you will uncover these articles......

also: going to the Rockland Fishing Show this March will be a MUST for you and your Dad....this way, you can go to the Eagle/Lowrance Booth and talk their ears off! that is where you can see ALL of the finders and ask the REP any questions you want...

besides the Search on Tackles Forum, go to the web and find the Sites for Eagle Lowrance, and other manufacturers and read about them....

I will assume you have a BassPro catalog or a Cabelas catalog???
 
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