on titicus by the dam there are massive weedbeds.it's also 80-90 feet deep by the dam.obviously there have to be drops along the way.when the weeds are full bloom you can see spots in between of clear channels.these are deeper.i start there.then i work out towards the dam.as john says a map and sonar help,but i have done it without.i used a texas rigged worm a lot in 25 feet and dragged it slow this summer.it caught many quality fish for me.before i learned this i would have a rough time in the summer catching fish.on windy days you obviously need to use more weight.i try to get away with the lightest weight possible that i can still feel.spoon jigging and blade baiting also work good in deep water.these are both things i learned from other n.y.bass members.hughfish has had much success on crankbaits all year long in deeper water. a crankbait is great to tell you where the weeds stop and the bottom begins.:beerchug: