my head is spinning....Frank: are you sure you are not a lawyer.....LOL
First off it would not happen, be a bit more realistic and I do not dispose of them in the trash, I do have a 1oz and 2oz sinker mold, I have a small pot in the shed that I have some old lead in, some old wheel weights and old sinkers to be melted down into new sinkers....
Actually Scott, I need a dump truck to cart all my old jigheads, spinnerbaits and unsusable sinkers to the Wallkill so that I can cause an environmental disaster! As for batteries, I still have 2 dead ones that I'm to lazy to get a $5 refund for, at Wal Mart. Who the h*** takes their old lead to a hazardous waste site anyway. What are you smoking ?? (Not even Wandy!)Since you bring up the subject of disposal of lead, where do you dispose of yours, what about cadmium batteries and mercury thermometers, maybe you should be thinking of that, for years most of Orange Co.'s trash went to the Al Turi Landfill, of course that is now closed for about a month or so, and since it is located along the banks of the Walkill think about what you have been sending right back to yourself living down stream in Walden.
I also did not say I was totally for the fishing lead ban, I think there was some bad intent on the side of the sponsors of the bill that is now law,...Although I did say I sided with Wandy it was on the subject of the environment not the sinker ban, I think the ban has less to do with the environment and more to do with a couple of LI politicians whos allegiances are not with the sportsmen but more with the animal rights groups....
Scott, you can't have it both ways. You either agree with Wandy's position or you don't. (Confuscius say: Sitting on fence only result in sore anus!!) This is evident because you quote the following facts:Wandy, I am on your side, I have fought this fight many times and there is always someone who feels the environment is fine and needs no help from us, trust me you are fighting the good fight and you may not change Franks mind but you maybe reaching someone not so vocal on these forums.
From 1972 to 1999 a total of 105 loons died in NY, that on average is less than 4 loons a year die, 21% of those 105 loons died of lead poisoning, which means about 1 loon a year dies of lead poisoning.
Also remember lead does not oxidize or leach under normal conditions and in normal water Ph, most of our lakes have a neutral Ph 7.0 to 7.5, lead starts to break down at a Ph higher than 8.5 which is an alkali, such as sodium hydroxide or caustic soda, or lower than 6.5 which is a weak acid like muriatic or citric, both high enough to give you a mild chemical burn.
(The fishing reg.s handbook points out lead alternatives.)In 1994 and then again in 1995 this bill reached our representatives in Albany it did not pass, then in 2001 and 2002 it came around again, please read through the bill I am sure you will see one reason I believe animal rights groups were behind this, also did any of you recieve any fishing sinker education by the NYSDEC, I bet not
Your points are valid and, I believe, what this whole post is all about. The statistics and DEC information you provide should make everyone think about the possibilities that may be coming that have nothing to do with the environment and all to do with further controlling the sport of fishing.If it is found that the education and outreach program has not been successful the department is authorized and shall develop rules and regulations banning the use of lead fishing sinkers and jigheads.
Now if you read that properly and with the intent I wrote it, do you think less than 1 loon a year dying a good reason to ban all lead fishing tackle? More than 1 deer a year gets hit by cars we don't ban cars do we, they are also enjoyed by the citizens of NYs as well as the visiters to NYS, so as this bill states would make them unique, yet no bills in the state banning cars. Again I think this ban has less to do with the environment and much more with a few politicians with an anti-fishing/hunting animal rights agenda.From 1972 to 1999 a total of 105 loons died in NY, that on average is less than 4 loons a year die, 21% of those 105 loons died of lead poisoning, which means about 1 loon a year dies of lead poisoning.
I don't know Scott, where were you? These issues are not usually front page articles in my local newpaper and as I've said,Again you debate something you will have a much more harder time changing now, where were you in March 2002 when we debated many of these same issues and facts and did you bother writting or calling your reps in Albany before the bill was made law.
Again, thank you.This lead ban reaks of personal political agendas and special interest group money in re-election coffers not environmental.
I am sure Frank you recieve some sort of fishing magazine, because that is where I first learned of it, either in B.A.S.S. or In-fishermen. Maybe you should talk to your clubs president as they should have or the county sportsmans assoc. should have let you know in a club newsletter or something, especially since the state assoc. knew about it.By SenkoSam:These issues are not usually front page articles in my local newpaper and as I've said, aren't relayed to my club via our county sportsmen's association.
No not nessasarilly, possibly someone that either has read the posts might have changed their minds, maybe the facts, stats and many times links supporting my argument has helped them, but I have also written many letters to Albany in the past, as well as writting to our congressmen all mainly on the subject of the environment, rights of sportsmen, protection for Hudson River striped bass, the dredging of the hudson as well as this subject.You were "debating and posting". Where, in Albany? Debating and posting on this or any forum is about as effective as farting in a strong wind!
If you remember you asked how I disposed of my old lead tackle, I told you and then I asked you where you disposed of yours, I didn't get off on a tangent, just went along with your tangent.The whole point of the original post was not to save the planet from Mafia dumpers (you get off on some great tangents which refuse to address the issue being debated), but to agree or disagree that anglers are being pressured by more back-door regulations such as a split-shot ban.
Frank, I agreed I didn't like the lead ban from the start, like it or not you agreed with my points fom back in early 2002 before the ban was law.Wandy supports the ban yet won't give up his stash. My position is that lead sinkers, spinnerbaits, jigheads, etc., do not pollute our waterways and that PETA is behind more than we'd like to believe. You more than proved my point with the insolubility of lead. Thank you!
You agreed, like it or not, to my other point, namely, back door politics sponsored by animal groups, are erroding sportmen's rights:
This lead ban reaks of personal political agendas and special interest group money in re-election coffers not environmental.
Again, thank you.
The Wallkill and toxic dumps came from your tangent, but rather than repeating myself go back up and read again.You've decided to expand the discussion to toxic dumps, the Wallkill River, PCBs, your elevation to HAZMET sainthood, and any other diversion for the sake of arguing. Well my friend, the soap box is yours. I've made my point (and so have you).
If you gain the title of Saint Scott of HAZMET, may I kiss your ring next time we meet? Don't answer that, I know what you're thinking - even for a saint!! LOLIn the bold it should read HAZMAT, Acronym for hazardous materials, no sainthood on that yet though Frank, still waiting on the Pope, he has been busy trying to give it to Mother Theresa LOL