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Since A Rod came to the Rangers; they were 43 games out in 2001, 31 out in 2002, and 25 this year.

Imagine how bad they would have been without the MVP on their team…



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If you believe the MVP is the "best player" in the league, then there is little doubt A-Rod deserves it. One of the best hitters in the league and plays the second most difficult position in the field. First being catcher.

If you feel MVP is most important to a teams success, then you may have an argument. Posada, Nomar, Delgado had years which contributed to their teams success. If you want to throw in the playoffs then Mariano is the MVP. No one else can turn a 9 inning game into 7. If any of the other playoff teams had Mariano, the final outcome would have been different. It may even have been Cubs vs. Red Sox depending on who had him....lol
 

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While I agree Mariano is the Yanks MVP, he can't win because the Yanks didn't win the W/S. He is lights out. The Yanks are judged to higher standards than other teams becasue they have multiple stars on the team. Posada is a cog on that team but as I stated, among the other stars, he will not win and his post saeason play was average. A-Rods team is horrible, one thing remains consistent is that his play is stellar. He is a great glove and an even better bat. He deserved it last year as well, but it is hard to give an MVP to a team that doesn't come close to the playoff's.
 

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Thank you MR. BASS RAT. I would agree.:yes: :yes: :yes:
 

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I’ve always had it in my mind that most valuable player meant the player that had the most positive impact on a team.

A team didn’t necessarily have to win the World Series, but that particular player was key for getting the team a just a little further.

My thinking is/was that if you take that player out of the equation where would the team be?

In terms of Texas, they finished last three years in a row.

Without A Rod they would have still finished last.

To me it doesn’t matter if that’s 25 games out or 50.

I’m not convinced that Mariano or Posada deserves the award either.

But over the years it is clear that there has been a lot of anti-Yankee sentiment out there (how long did it take for Rizzutto to get into the hall of fame?).

In terms of Earthy’s thought about the Yankees being held to a higher standard it raises a similar thought that I have been carrying around for years.

One of the intangibles that people don’t think about when the Yankees play is that everyone always "gets pumped up" when they play the Yanks.

It’s sort of like being the fastest gun in the old west.

Everybody wants a shot (so to speak) to outgun you.

Other teams tweak their rotations so that we are always facing the opposition’s aces.

It’s rare that we see the 4th & 5th starters.

Everyone just seems to play a little harder.

Bottom line is that it’s a tough job being number one!!!

But I don’t think we’d like it any other way…..


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Most Valuable Player, not A rod. That vote was almost as bad as Bonds winning today over Pujols.
 

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MVP needs to be redefined.......

the importance of that player to the team and the RESULTS of his importance have to go hand in hand.......

it is very hard to judge the results based upon a losing record.....

my take is that MVP SHOULD extend into the post season.....and the post season should be considered hand in hand with the regular season.....just because you were an MVP, doesn't mean it should stop in the playoffs.....

with that in mind, Posada would have finished way down the line....

the "OLD" Barry Bonds of yesteryear would have gotten similary killled......

the best player on the team with the most wins in the AL in the Playoffs, was definitely Mariano Rivera...

with Jeter right behind him.....

what Bonds has been doing the last couple of years is beyond amazing: then never pitch to him....and in the rare occasions that they do, he has an onbase percentage over .500 and a .800 slugging percentage......his productivity is off the charts! he is literally in another category by himself totally, almost like the peak years of , say, Wayne Gretsky in hockey......

you might think I would say Michael Jordan in Basketball, but his peak years stats don't compare to Wilt Chamberlain......I mean, he had seasons where he averaged 50 points and 25 rebounds a game! HAHHhHhHhHHhahahaha........RIDICULOUS!

That is where Bonds is at right now......
 

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Agred John, Bonds is the best but this year Pujols was as good if not better,IMHo Bonds got votes because his father died during the season. BYW, Jason Giambi got a first place vote for MVP can anyone here tell me why?
 

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Nick, I can't agree with you regarding Posada. He is a mediocre catcher with a decent bat. Any catcher in the Yankees line up culd have played to his level. There were better perfomers on that team that could have been nominated ahead of him. He had one big hit in the playoffs...the double against Boston in the final game. His defensive play is average at best but he has a good stick....not MVP caliber sorry. Why not Jeter, bounces back from injury and maintains his high level of lay....good bat in the post season......definately means more to the Yanks than Jorge.
 
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