Posted by joe pido on 2003 AM:
Get Rid Of THe Net!
Quite a statement from
one Mike Iaconelli. Cocky sonovabitch, but I like him. When asked By Jerry Mcguinnis
on the Bassmasters show, Mike said one rule he would like to get rid of in tx
fishing is the use of the net.
His rationale? Fishing is a sport and requires some degree of athleticism. And
by not using the net , the angler would have to use some kind of physical
effort to land the fish e.g. laying on your back to reach out a flopping fish,
moving around the boat ala Fritz to tire a horse. By not using a net, it gives
more excitement to the sport.
What do you tx anglers think about this? Thats quite a bold statement by Iaconelli
especially on national tv, dont you think? Or is this one of his displays of
his that makes people misundertand him as cocky and a big mouth.
joe
Posted by Seth V on 2003 PM:
No nets does more damage
to the fish. Back in the days BASS was "no nets", most guys would
simply swing fish into the boat, rather than chase them around the boat. I have
had many fish bounce of consoles or take hard landings on the carpet when I
could not use nets. Iaconelli is just making his usual useless noise.
Seth V
Posted by Rob J in WNY on 2003 PM:
Hoped I wasn't the only
one...
I watched today's
Bassmasters (USA vs. "The World"), and I
saw that interview. I see Iaconelli's point - that it would emphasize the
angler's true skill - but I have to agree with Seth that nets should be
allowed, if, for anything, the safer handling of fish. If an angler wants to
swing a fish in the boat or lay all over the deck to grab the fish, that should
remain a choice.
On being "cocky," the only thing flawed about a person saying that
he's not trying to be cocky happens when he prefaces his opinions by saying
that. Iaconelli is a great angler, to be sure, but fishing skill and social
grace are two different things.
Even still, best of success to him on the trail. 
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Posted by Bass Rat on 2003 PM:
The
use of nets most certainly helps protect the fish. Why needlessly tire (in
other words "stress") a fish?
quote:
fishing skill and social grace are two different things.-Rob J
No doubt.
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Posted by Charlie on 2003 AM:
Another important element
is the "RIP" factor.
That is the rip in the jaw of a fish of any size being extracted from the water
with a hook imbedded in the membrane. It will most certainly tear a gapping
hole in the mouth. We have all caught fish that have that "scar" and
I for one will ALWAYS support the use of nets for fish.
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Posted by Scully on 2003 PM:
a real beauty....
Seth
I see you know Mike as well......what a jerk. He can fish though he is quite
the ass-hole.
Scully
Posted by Kenny C on 2003 PM:
COCKY FOR SURE
He would do better to
shut up and fish...
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Posted by bink on 2003 PM:
I talked to Mike Iaconelli at a seminar two years ago and he is kind of a dick when just shooting the breeze in the hall way between shows and he couldnt say two words without mentioning the "Manns Stone Jig", I of course thought the cockyness was a NJ thing(Joke). You see guys trying harder to get a had under thier fish when landing them on TV but you still see too many hoisted roughly into the cockpit area. It also just came to me that Iaconelli mentioned Dick's alot and at the time I had never even heard of Dick's(the store). I talked to a NH BASS pro this weekend at a seminar who said "you people should mash down the barbs on your hooks because you kill too many fish" of course I asked if he fished with the barbs mashed down and his answer was "um well no" i thought that was the answer he was gonno give.
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Posted by jrock on 2003 PM:
just my 2cents
I met him a few years ago up in mass. at one of the seminars, and I had a opinion about him before i even met him. well anyways I had to take a leek in the middle of another pro's speech, so as I was coming back, I passed him in the hallway and he's standing at a table with some of his tackle out there. anyway I start talking with him. before I knew it where talking about greenwood lake and all kinds of things. I was taking back by his personallity. I thought he was a pretty cool, not the person that I heard and read about.
Posted by Charlie on 2003 PM:
We should be careful not
to begin character assassinations.
Everybody has their good and bad days. I respectfully suggest we revert to the
business at hand...... Fishing!
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Posted by bink on 2003 PM:
Charlie, The time I met him he seemed like a dick I am not saying he is a dick just he came across as a bit of a jerk. As for saying he should keep his mouth shut that is not a big deal anytime you open your mouth up in public you leave yourself open to people saying keep it shut.
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Posted by Charlie on 2003 PM:
I agree with you Bink!
Fact is I know Mike and I know he can be a "PITA" occasionally, but
we all are guilty of that.
What I do not agree with (and God knows I learned my lesson early on with my
"written" opinion on this site) was to keep it too myself!
You would be very surprised if you knew who reads this stuff, quotes it, writes
about it and how quickly information gets back to the right and wrong people.
We are not, nor should we be fish wives, even though most of us are married to
them LOL!
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Posted by bink on 2003 PM:
Charlie, I am not sure what a "PITA " is but I know it cant be good. My wife seems to think we act like old ladies when it come s to talking about our fishing and fishing friends.
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Posted by bass 64 on 2003 AM:
Bink, it means pain in the arse
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Posted by Cast-a-way on 2003 AM:
Getting back to the
original thought...I don't like the idea of someone netting another guys fish. Too
easy... In the club I'm in we allow this. It gives you alot of peace of mind,
however, when I've fished our classic the last few years it is a solo event and
I then realize it's a little harder netting your own fish. I lost a nice 2lb+ smallie
at Welch 2yrs. ago at the boat trying to net it myself...
As far as fishing being a sport and "requires some degree of athleticism"..I
don't buy that B.S. at all. I LOVE fishing and it's a big part of my life but
I've never considered any fisherman an athlete. Just my take on things...
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Posted by bink on 2003 AM:
Oh! I get it "PITA".
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Posted by skeeter195 on 2003 AM:
Cast-a-way
I have to strongly disagree with your statement that TX fishermen are not
athletes. I played football for 9 years and baseball for over 25 and have never
been so wiped out as when I fish a week long TX. In the boat by 5 a.m. and putting it back on the trailer at 5 p.m. is a long TX day. Practice days are even longer.
Standing up and running a trolling motor fighting waves, wind and whatever else
puts alot of strain on your legs and back. I do not use a front seat when in a
TX, forcing myself to stand-up and be alert at all times. Casting a spinnerbait,
crankbait or ripping a jerkbait really works out your wrists, arms and
shoulders. The mental aspect of a Tx angler is also as intense as other
athletes. Time management, deciding when to move or stay, coping with a lost
fish and when you have to drive your boat 40 miles in windy conditions are just
a few.
You have to take care of yourself by eating right and working out when fishing
TX's just like any other athlete if you hope to do well.
On the other side of the coin, yes I agree that recreational fishing can be and
should be less of a strain on your body and mind. I really enjoy my time at
TX's, but I enjoy the time with my wife and son in the boat even more. I will
sit down and fish and realy enjoy the time on the water in a different way than
when I am in a TX.
Sorry about rambling on about this, but I hear it all the time from people who
think TX fishing is so easy.
The idea of no net can go either way. A fish can really get beat up when flung
aboard onto a deck, but can have just as much damage done to him by flopping
around in a net, rubbing alot of the slime coat off. Just be careful either
way.
Posted by tubeking on 2003 AM:
i agree get rid of the net.it
is not needed.i never use it.and i will not carry one on my boat.if u feel u
cant flip him up or lip him then something is wrong.i fish with alot of people
who use a net for small fish.i ove 2 catch fish like everyone else but during a
tournament u r looking for a heavy five not 40 1 pound fish.that is one thing i
see wrong.it is very annoying when u r fishing a tournament and u r flippin 4 a
bigger fish and your partner is tossing a senko or small worm and calling
NET!!! NET!!!!! every 2 minutes for a 12 inch fish.FLIP the f*ck*ng thing up
.also i see people net a fish then put him down on the deck.not only does the
carpet take the slime coat off but the net does as well.not 2 mentionthe net getting
caught in his gills.
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Posted by earthworm77 on 2003 AM:
Iaconelli is a member of P.E.T.A.?????? Kidding, couldn't resist. "he is quite the ass-hole" Ouch!!!! Big Blue. I never spoke to the guy but his ego is legendary. Back to the topic, I really like the newer rubber nets. They are slippery and don't damage the fishes slime coat like a nylon net and they don't tangle your baits. I don't like to see fish swung aboard and I feel that is worse than any net job.
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Posted by bass 64 on 2003 PM:
Regardless if bass feel
pain or not. I am not for swinging bass into the boat unless it is a dink. If
you think about it there is a hook through the fishes jaw with all the body
weight being put on the jaw and sorrounding flesh.(God forbid if the fish is
gut hooked) Think of all the stress that is put on that area.
Now about nets. Yes somtimes it puts the fishes body in an unnatural position
and yes it does take off some of the slime coat, but a fish flopping around on
the deck will take some slime and possibly bruise the fish. The net supports
more of the bass's body. I have heard good things about rubber nets and that is
probably the best way to go. Now as far as taking away the net, I am not
opposed to lipping the bass..........
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Posted by Bass Rat on 2003 PM:
I have been using the rubber net ( not rubberized mesh....that's differant) for 3 seasons and find it to work very well. One downside is it is heavier and has more resistance when pulling it through the water.
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Posted by JPBass on 2003 PM:
quote:
Originally
posted by Bass Rat
One downside is it is heavier and has more resistance when pulling it
through the water.
True, but it beats the heck outta trying to pull three excalibur trebles from
the old mesh nets.
Always use a rubber...........net
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Posted by joe pido on 2003 PM:
Cmon guys, isnt the ONLY
reason why we all use a net is because we dont want to LOSE a fish, especially
in a tx ? A bad net job will also be a cause for losing fish. The last thing I
have in mind while using the net is the fish's condition. I mean, if we
certainly dont want to hurt a fish, then we should just all give up fishing. Isnt
the hook set painful enough for the fish? When asked what he felt about the no
net rule, all Shaw Grigsby had to say was how he lost a 7 lber trying to lip
it. He certainly didnt mention anything about nets protecting the fish slime
and all.
And why did BASS go back to the no net rule? I dont think they made this rule
change without any scientific backup and research.
Tubeking has some good points too...
joe
Posted by bink on 2003 PM:
I like the rubber nets but you can drive a treble hook point into the rubber not as bad as the hook tangles but it can happen. I only ask for the net in a T and in the event of hooking a huge fish while fun fishing. Think of it this way would you like a hook in the mouth and lifted 15ft into the air by a crane, even if you cant feel pain(good ?)youi would at least have a broken jaw and a open wound now imagine being lifted in a rough cargo net you got some scratches on your bare skin but you dont have to eat from a straw. If you fish with a hook you are doing Some damage to the fish.
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Posted by bass 64 on 2003 PM:
Thank you Bink, That is exactly what I was trying to convey in my previous post. And Joe I do agree with you to about giving up fishing if you worried about hurting fish all the time, but I prefer to keep the hurting and killing of fish to an absolute minimum.- Joe
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Posted by Bass Rat on 2003 PM:
quote:
Originally
posted by joe pido
Tubeking has some good points too...
joe
Now that is the most disturbing thing I ever heard.
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Posted by Bass Rat on 2003 PM:
quote:
Originally
posted by joe pido
Cmon guys, isnt the ONLY reason why we all use a net is because we dont want
to LOSE a fish, especially in a tx ?
joe
Joe, If that where true we'd use a gaf!!!
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Posted by joe pido on 2003 PM:
what...you mean stab the
fish by the gills..nooow...that would be hurting the fish...right, Nick?....
joe
Posted by Kenny C on 2003 PM:
Very Simple
If you don't want to
use a net, then leave it home. If I call for the net and the guy in the back of
my boat gets annoyed.....very simple, he won't be there next time !!! One pound
or five I am not flipping the fish into the boat !!! In tournament competition
I am not lipping the fish either !!!
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Posted by Scott C on 2003 AM:
Ken,
Agreed 100%
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Posted by Lpbassman on 2003 AM:
While I admit that I dont
always use it, I DO keep a net on my boat at all times. I feel that using the
net is a more humane way of landing a fish although I do lip many that I catch
at the side of the boat. I have also lifted the smaller ones directly into the
boat but dont let them go slamming into the console or to the floor.
Ken, you are right on! The net is there for those guys who want to make sure
that 1) the fish IS caught & 2) landed in a manner that is not harmfull to
the fish.
Tubeking, you DO have a net. I've used it. Next time were on Mohansic and you
hook another 5 or 6lber tell me you're not gonna ask for the net?
KEEP & USE THE NET!!! Protect our quarry!
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Posted by tubeking on 2003 PM:
5 or 6 pounder yes but
when you r fishing a tournament with our own joe r. and he hooks a bluegill and
screams NET!!!!!!!!!NET!!!!!! you tend to leave the net at home
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Posted by Lpbassman on 2003 PM:
LOL LOL LOL
He said it ROOKIE--not me
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Posted by Bass Rat on 2003 AM:
I seem to recall Joe R
putting you on fish at Whaley.
"Fire in the
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Posted by tubeking on 2003 AM:
it was my spot.and if u
notice the 3 or 4 other times joe fished with me he limited also.i should get
paid guide fees.if u noticed leigh and chris z finished second that day 2 us
and we were a cast away from eachother all day.leigh and i found that spot in
practice 
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Posted by Lpbassman on 2003 AM:
YOU TELL EM BIG D!!!!
Yo Bass Rat: Ask Joe how long it took me to limit out & then some on topwater
there, the first time I took him out. Maybe it was 15 minutes!
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Posted by Bass Rat on 2003 AM:
Oh Man...........................
You guys are so
predictable.
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Posted by Scott C on 2003 PM:
Both you guys need a NET
!!!!!
LOL
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Posted by Paul_M on 2003 AM:
There are certain safety aspects of using a net especially when fishing 3 treble hook baits on a thrashing fish. I have had a rubberized net for 6 or 7 years and they save wear and tear on the fish, angler, tackle, and boat. However, the raw nylon cord ones need to be outlawed. It's every anglers responsibility to release the healthyest fish possible.
Posted by wnybassman on 2003 AM:
I have been using my
large rubber net for well over 7 years now, and wouldn't have it any other way.
In a tx situation, I net anything over 2 pounds or so, and if i'm by myself, I
do it myself. The rubber net cradles the fish nicely, and when set down on the
deck (or floor) of the boat, it puts a nice little layer of protection between
the fish and the carpet.
Like I said, mine is rather large, with a 4' handle that extends out to 7'. Not
sure what the hoop is, but it is big. Yes, it is very heavy, but I've netted so
many fish now by myself, it is quite routine, and I know just how to hold it.
Safety for the angler is another concern. The treble hook aspect was already
mentioned. But years ago, when nets in some clubs were not permitted, we were
always still able to use nets on Lake Erie. Let's face it, in 4-6 foot waves, leaning over the side of the boat
to lip a large smallmouth is just not a good idea. Even today, I sometimes use
the 7' feature on my net out there in order to stay more near the center of my
boat.
So, I am in favor of keeping nets (at least rubber nets)
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Posted by bink on 2003 PM:
This was not during a T but on TV the other day on the Outdoor Channel I saw Ronnie Kovach fishing with Dean Rojas at one point Kovach was lifting his fish out of the water by the Bill of the crankbait,OUCH
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Posted by GKFISH on 2003 PM:
JOE, He who hesitates
looses.......lift em or loose em........lol
BOY HAS THAT PHILOSOPHY COST ME
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Posted by Dominic on 2003 PM:
There's nothing like the sound of a bass hitting the deck with a thud, that gets the adrenaline pumping.
Posted by Hooked Solid on 2003 PM:
GK` get in touch....
I'm thinking Saratoga way back,for the lift and lose.A
minor stub! Don't follow the Blow ups June!!Return my call about craw baits(color)
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Posted by lastcastme on 2003 PM:
Get Rid Of The Net??????
I hope not!!!!!
I just got a new Stalker with the rubber net for X-Mas from BPS.
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