Posted
by quantumman29 on 2002 PM:
spinning versus casting !
,if
we lined up all the bass fisherman across the world and and
asked them to pick a side they wanted to be on for a friendly bass fishing compitition based on their preference of reel type im wondering what the teams would look like and if it would
be one sided or pretty evenly matched?
It seems more and more guys and gals are using bait casting gear opposed to the
spinning gear,im not a bait casting gear believer,i use spinning gear 100% of the time i fish whether a tornament or
just bass fishing for the sake of it,i have had
partners on my boat in many tornaments where we were
flipping jigs under docks and alondside posts,logs,rocks,in weeds,etc.
and i caught just as many bass as my partner if not more,i never did figure out what the bait caster has to
offer that the spinning reel dosent,todat we can get
spinning reels with very fast gear ratio's as well as very slow ratio's,the only set back to a spinning reel is that when
you cast to a target instead of the lure dropping straight down as would with a
casting reel the spinning reel lure will swing away from the target in a pendilum motion,thats easily
fixed by not closing the bail until the lure settles down to where your target is,as far as accuracy goes,i can
place a lure of most any size and weight into a coffee can from at least 20
yards away( i never tried,but
im sure i can) and for distance,i gotta believe the
spinning reel sends a lure quite far and rarely ever gets a backlash,lets
take a poll and see who uses what around here,i'd
just like to know,and it can become quite interesting
at the end of the poll
.
thanks ,
quantumman
Posted
by Falls Fisherman on 2002 PM:
Personally I use both. I
have 5 Spinning reels (including 2 Quantums) and 3 Baitcasters (1 Quantum). Baitcasters
have one advantage over spinning reels, no line twist.
Each have specific purposes for specific lures and
are. Most Fishermen are prolific with both types although the baitcaster takes a lot more practice to become proficient
with.
A lot of part time fishermen do not have the patience to get past the backlash
problem that everyone who picks up a baitcaster will
experience, and so most of them use Spinning reels.
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Posted
by Gregg on 2002 PM:
75% Spinning 25% baitcasting
To be a well rounded
fisherman I think you need to use both! I fish light soft plastic mostly and do
so on spinning grear but If i want to throw a crank I'm reaching for a baitcaster. Each has it's place
and purpose.
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Posted
by earthworm77 on 2002 PM:
It is all up to the
angler. I do mostly spinning gear but I do have 7 high end bait casting
outfits. I am confident in my ability to put baits in spots most people can't
comprehend with spinning gear.
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Posted
by FrankR on 2002 PM:
Spin vs. Cast
In addition to being a
matter of opinion, the technique you are employing in a given situation
dictates which to use.
Spinning gear just can't handle line weights above 10 lb test. If you are
fishing heavy cover or areas with rocks, you're gonna
wish you had heavier line. Zebra mussels can also wreak havoc on light line.
Casting gear has much more power as well. You can flip jigs on spinning tackle
too. It just that once the fish realizes he's hooked, if he tries to bury
himself, only the winching action of a baitcaster is
going to pull him out.
I'm right on the fence on this one. I go out with 4 spinning rods and 4 casting
rods. Spinning: Tubes x 2, weightless plastics (aka
Senko), finesse worm. Casting: Spinnerbait/Jerkbait, Flippin stick (Jigs, C-rig), Crankin
stick, Topwater.
Frank R.
Posted
by bobn on 2002 PM:
i think they both have their
place-there was a time back in the dark ages you had to use a conventional reel
or you didn't fish-this was pre mitchell days-i think the advantage of the conventional is sheer
strength-if this were not so you would see big game salt water fishermen using
spinners-it has been said that a conventional is also more accurate?-don't ask
me, i have a problem with both-what do the money
winning pros use?-why?-i even heard/read that the
distance record was set by a conventional reel-whether it was a special reel
and or rod, none the less it was set by a conventional reel--go figure--there
is just something about being able to fish with a bait caster--maybe it's
me-hell, i still wind my pocket watch-bobn
Posted
by DR on 2002 PM:
Spinning is a nessesary evil in my opinion...it excells
in light weight baits, live bait, and skipping baits. The list of downfalls of
spinning gear including mere design is many.
Baitcasting is my choice for everything except that
listed above.
I usually carry 2 spinning and 2 casting.
What I have in my hand on the water, depends on WHAT lure the fish are biteing. I CAN throw light baits with a caster, but the
skipping of baits with a caster has eluded me
Put me down as "wont go out, without, BOTH"!!
DR
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Posted
by joe pido
on 2002 PM:
4 baitcasting...2
spinning
cant add anything else, except pitted
against a baitcaster, you'll be outcasted
by a mile, numbers wise. Using a underhand or roll
cast, with a baitcaster, you could present a lure as
many times more than with sppinning gear in your
hand...ask Jimmy Houston...
joe
Posted
by Pete L on 2002 AM:
I only use spinning gear , and can do anyting with it
that you can do with a baitcaster!! Including
pitching and flipping!
Rarely ever get a twist in my line , and don`t spend half the day picking out back lashes.
Pete
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Posted
by earthworm77 on 2002 AM:
Again, I'll echo Pete's
comments!!! Anything baitcasters can do I can do
better with spinning gear...right Joe???? LOL I work up to 3/8oz jigs on my
spinning gear and I get an unchristly amount of casts
in so I don't agree with the statement that you can present the bait more often
with baitcasting gear. What some of you are failing
to realize is that many guys only use casting gear for flipping and pitching. So longer casts aren't even a consideration. How much longer
can you get with baitcasting gear anyway???? The
world record was a modifies casting set up. I'll bet
the majority of guys would get an over run on the spool trying to really fling
a bait out. Lets talk about where it counts. How far
back under a dock can you get??? How far can you penetrate brush??? No chance
you can get as far flipping as a spinner could skipping....no
chance!!!! I stand by my words by both example and the fact that I also use
casting gear.
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Posted
by joe pido
on 2002 PM:
...i
didnt say anything about accuracy or distance , I
just said with a baitcasting setup, you can cast (rollcast) a spinnerbait, for
example, many times more than with someone using spinning gear.
Picture this out. Two anglers side by side casting to
a log, from the same distance, say 20 ft away. One is using baitcasting,
the other spinning.At a ready position, say the rod
at 10 o'clock, by the time you pick up the line with your trigger finger, open
the bail,take the rod to
your side and cast ,engage the reel, the guy with the baitcaster
has already pitched his spinnerbait way before the
spinning gear guy has put his lure in the water.
Do this in an hours fishing, and the guy with the baitcasting
will be able to present his lure a lot more, getting a lot of chances to hook
up with fish.
Heavy lures will always be on baitcasting. Try
pitching 30 ft to a log a 3/8ths oz. jig , 20 lb mono,
and produce a splashless entry into the water with
spinning gear.
... .watch the line...ummm,
nothing. I dont think the fish liked the angle of the
jig's fall. Pressured fish. Weekenders
with their damn PWCS. I think itll take a lot
of casts to entice the fish into biting . In fact,
maybe you'll need at least 20 casts to make the fish even notice your jig.
Do this to a row of logs and laydowns. By the end of
the day, my money's on the guy using baitcasting
catching more fish, maybe the heaviest limit.
joe
Posted
by joe pido
on 2002 PM:
A lot of part time
fishermen do not have the patience to get past the backlash problem that
everyone who picks up a baitcaster will experience,
and so most of them use Spinning reels.
well said, Noel...
joe
Posted
by dodgeguy on 2002 AM:
i use baitcasting only!!!would only use a fairy wand
in light to no cover!!!
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Posted
by HookUp on 2002 AM:
90% Spinning, 10% baitcasting for Freshwater
100% baitcasting for Salt
Posted
by bigjetguy on 2002 AM:
at the risk of sounding like an amatuer, let me say this: i don't
like spinning reels, for some reason i just can't get
the hang of using one vry well. i just bought a casting reel and have been having
some trouble getting used to it. but i just need to practice. so what
do i use? i
actually use a spin casting reel. sacrilege you say!! those are for kids!! since i just got back into fishing, and not liking spinning reels
and not being expirienced with bait casters, this was
the way to go. they are easy to use, i have no problem casting where i
want and i get good distance. abu garcia makes a good one
(thats what i have). now i will probably will switch to
the bait casters once i get good enough with it, but
for now i go with the best way for me to do the most
fishing i can.
Posted
by jdjohns on 2002 AM:
I carry 5 baitcasters and 1 spinning outfit. I use the spinner for
everything under 1/4 oz. I've found that I have way more control and accuracy
with a baitcaster than a spinner. Even with the
occasional "professional overrun" I feel I'm better off using a baitcaster.
Jeremiah
Posted
by Scott C on 2002 AM:
Great thread
!
Question.
Baitcaster.
Right hand cast. Bait pulls to the left and down. (short)
What corrects this ?
Thank you.
SC
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Posted
by Rob J in WNY on 2002 AM:
There
are no 'rules', but...
It's a fairly even split
for me.
For skipping Senkos, flukes and other soft plastics,
it's gotta spinning, on a 6' med action rod. I
couldn't skip anything well with a casting reel.
The drop shot rig I have been experimenting with this year works well on
spinning gear.
Tube dragging (the 'Erie Drag') means spinning for me, although I could do it
with a casting rod just as easily.
Lightweight, floating stickbaits get used on spinning
gear. They are just too light for casting gear.
My 2½" Fin-S Fish presentation has to thrown on U/L spinning gear, no
questions asked.
Topwaters (such as spooks & buzzbaits)
handle easier for me on casting gear. I feel the grip on the rod is more
comfortable when 'walking the dog' or working the reel in conjunction with
holding the rod tip low.
Crankbaiting is definitely a casting reel's domain
for me. A soft rod works wonders for good hookup with crankbaits.
Spinnerbaits go on casting gear. I feel ungainly
casting any heavy lure with spinning gear. Just a personal
preference.
Jigging spoons - definitely casting. Being able to quickly push the spool
release and let off some line quickly is a joy on casting gear.
Jigs? Need I even answer that? 
As a rule, I'll not usually put line over 12 pounds (line diameter) on spinning
gear, and casting gear generally starts at 12 pounds for me.
On another personal opinion, I feel much more comfortable fighting fish on
casting gear when fishing tighter cover. Sometimes I feel the longer handle of
spinning gear is a bit ungainly under those circumstances, but I understand
that this design is actually an advantage to control rotor inertia.
This year, I have grown in my use of casting gear to get better at accurate
pitching. As was previously mentioned, the gentle drop of a
pitched bait is made much easier with casting gear and an educated
thumb. I see that advantage and there is no doubt that casting gear, in the
hands of a seasoned individual, makes such presentations all the more possible.
But, like I said, there are no rules...
Tight Lines...
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Posted
by carpeacrpium on 2002 AM:
Use what you want. The
important thing is if you're having a good time and you're satisfied with the
results.
Spinning or baitcating or spincasting? I'd say that about 95% of the time it's
how you use your tackle rather than the tackle you use. Baitcasting
is touted as more accurate but I know some guys who can drop their bait exactly
where they want in cover using spinning gear (I'm not one of them!!!). Baitcasting is more powerful since the line doesn't have to
make that 90 degree turn at the line roller as with spinning tackle. But people
catch monster bass out of heavy cover on spinning gear also.
Baitcasting is more glamorous, macho and cool since
most pros use it and it is harder to learn than spinning. Some people put down
spinning as being for amatures. But for throwing
lures under 1/4 ounce spinning is ideal. The light line is also an advantage
for more subtle presentations. But I agree that spinning is not the best for
lines over 12 pound test and lures over 1/2 ounce.
If you want to be a more versatile fishermen learn how to use both. Nothing wrong with using spincating gear
either. Most of the time it's how you use what you got rather than the
inherent advantages or disadvantages of what you're using that will determine
your success.
Posted
by Scott C on 2002 AM:
quote:
Most of
the time it's how you use what you got rather than the inherent advantages or
disadvantages of what you're using that will determine your success.
I have heard women say this as well...........
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Posted
by carpeacrpium on 2002 AM:
A
universal maxim, as true in fishing as in sex.
Posted
by hammer on 2002 PM:
Bait
Spin Shoot Out
I
use 4 bait casters and 1 spinning outfit for the smaller lighter lures, once
you master the baitcaster theres
no going back! hammer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted
by Broadbill on 2002 PM:
I'll have to say I only
tried a baitcaster once, and after fifteen minutes was
ready to throw it in the drink. This post has given me the reasons to get out
there to practice and learn how to master this confounded thing.
Broadbill
Posted
by Scott C on 2002 AM:
HELP
?
Can anyone assist with
this question ?
Question.
Baitcaster.
Right hand cast. Bait pulls to the left and down. (short)
What corrects this ?
Thank you.
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Posted
by FrankR on 2002 AM:
pulling left
Scott,
Are we talking about a crankbait? What do you have
tied on that is pulling left?
FrankR.
Posted
by Scott C on 2002 AM:
anything Frank......I know how to adjust
the spool for each bait/weight but for some reason I pull my casts. Should I
just open up the breaks ? I may just be casting it
wrong too.
who knows.....I used to us a bait caster all the time
and put it down for about a year and just used spinners. It could very well be
my technique.
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Posted
by bobn on 2002 AM:
if i am
casting side arm the bait will usually go where my left shoulder is pointing-i cast baitcasters right handed
and spinners left handed??(you think you got
problems?)-i am no expert, believe me, but it works
for me-bobn
Posted
by joe pido
on 2002 AM:
I would open up the
breaks
...assuming everything is
in balance..the right lure
weight, line test, rod. You should be able to cast wherever you want it to go.
When I was still trying to learn baitcasting, I was
thinking too hard in evry cast. My wrist action, the
handle position, my shoulder straight , etc. Try not
to think much about it when baitcasting. It'll come
easy faster.
Backlashes are normal and always happens. but as you get proficient in baitcasting,
you'll forget that you had a spinning rod with you. So much
easy to cast and powerful to horse a fish out of cover.
joe
Posted
by Scott C on 2002 AM:
Thanks Joe
!
I bought this set up from Nick (Bassrat) a few months
ago and really want to master it.
Quantum tour edition baitcaster.
1 piece milled aluminum frame. 8 BB. Centrifical break. 6'6 Quantum Rod-Medium
action graphite.
Balanced ? I have 8lb yo-zuri
hibred and use baits ranging from 1/4 to maybe 5/8 ?? something like that.
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Posted
by Rob J in WNY on 2002 AM:
Scott...
My first baitcaster was a Shakespeare from back in '96. Every time I
would cast with it, the lure would do exactly as you described - left and down.
It kept me away from baitcasters in general for years
- until I realized that the problem was mainly in the fact that the spool on
that reel was supported only by brass bushings, and not ball bearings. The
above statement is not meant to imply that the reel you bought from Nick is a
poor quality reel. The Tour Edition Quantums are very
good reels. Read on.
Definitely turn off all the centrifugal brakes (locking the 'hats' all the way
IN on their pins). Make sure the spool tension is set up right (as you
mentioned) so that the lure just starts to fall when the spool is released.
Give it a cast. If you are backlashing at the start
of the cast, then try activating one or two centrifugal brakes (if two, then
choose two which are opposed to each other).
I would assume that the reel you have has a bearing supported spool, and not
bushings. If you are still having problems casting with it, consider using a
light machine oil or even "Rocket Fuel™" to lube them. If they are
slightest bit sticky, then your casting will be seriously hampered - seriously.
All things considered, you should have no problem casting ¼ oz. and heavier
baits with that reel. Good luck, bro.
Tight Lines...
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Posted
by Scott C on 2002 AM:
Rob......excellent
stuff bro. I
really appreciate it.
I'll made the adjustments and practice.
SC
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