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Posted
by Lpbassman on
Slider article in this month's Bassmaster
Has anyone read this article? It gives you a good idea on how effective and versatile this little bait can be. Not that I'm partial to SLIDERS . LOL!
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Posted
by joe p on
naaah...I bypassed the
article....LOL......boriiingg....
Posted
by fishinut on
I haven't gotten mine yet....I always seem to get mine a few days after everyone else. I'm looking forward to that article. When did you get yours?- fishinut
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Posted
by Skeet on
Can you throw a slider on
a 20lb test line & a 7'6" flippin stick??
Hmmm.... did not think so....
So, what good is it?? 
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Posted
by JOHN G on
comedians, nothing but
comedians! LOL.......
slider KILLED this year, as always......
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Posted
by earthworm77 on
Great technique but I didn't think the article was all that good or informative.
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Posted
by Woody on
Doc....You single handedly converted Hundreds of folks
I think one of the best
ways to learn this technique...would be to spend the day with John G on his
boat.
I still remember the first day he taught me on
Tight Lines
Woody
Buy the book and READ it and REREAD it...
Alot of folks dislike the video... I happen to think
it is a slice of
Posted
by JOHN G on
yes, converts one and
all, but how come my congregation doesn't give me any donations? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAh......
I know Wood, on the phone, yes, but on the water, it is so hard for us to
connect now......
I spent a day with MikeD on Maho
2 years ago schoolin' him on slider and he was so
good at it by the end of the day.....
the best of all was Anthony on our boat at the 2nd Maho
get together.....Anthony was even a little green in the casting dept, but I
brought a rod and reel just for him set up for "brewering"
and again, by the end of the day he was flying with it......
there is nothing I like better than to see someone fish well on my boat, especially
when I either show them a new technique or put them on a pattern......what it's
all about.....
which is why even I did ever do a single tourney, it would have to be where my
non boater was my partner....would NEVER under any circumstances, want to fish
against my partner......
all that talk about the "old " Maho is
enough to make you sick.....the place was one sweet ride.....may it come back
again....
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Posted
by Zuke on
Thunder officially stolen...
I came to work this
morning intending to post on this very subject....
I read the Article last night, and have read the numerous threads/posts on this
Board about sliders......and realize that I know nothing about the gear, rig,
or the technique. For the areas I fish, I'm guessing that it would be killer
indeed.
Dr. G., any pointers you might wish to share with a neophyte such as myself,
and others who may have the fortitude to admit that they are clueless about
this?????
you may make a fisherman out of me yet.
Zuke.
Posted
by Pete L on
Leigh - I read it last
night. Good article -- Now i`ve got to buy more
stuff!!!!!!
Pete
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Posted
by Bass Rat on
quote:
Buy the book and READ it and REREAD it...
You'll have to re read it often as the book has a severe sedative effect.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Posted
by Bink on
Read the book once and you should get an award,read it twice and Sainthood for sure. I like the video better than the book.
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Posted
by Lpbassman on
For those of you who are
not familiar with this little "mega bait", it is a consistantly effective, all season method for catching
fish, even the same ones you can catch on 20lb test using a 7'6" flipping
stick. These unassuming 4" worms and 3" grubs are available in large
variety of colors. They dont look like much, but they
will catch fish. I have tutored a few of my fellow Outcast members on the use
of this bait and those who have learned this technique will now SWEAR by its
effectiveness. Wild Bill is still waiting for his personal SLIDER 101 course.
(Bill, early next season--my promise).
There are 2 distinct methods for fishing these baits. They both work well.
Our beloved "Evil Tyrant" and Gregg fish this bait in the more
traditional manner, which involves a SLOW steady swimming retreive on light spinning gear. I am not certain if they
rig their baits
I prefer to fish this bait in a slow hopping or darting manner. I use 6lb test
(religiously) on an Aero Stradic 1000. My rod of
choice is a 6'6" BPS Bionic Blade in Med-Heavy action. I ALWAYS rig the
bait 
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Posted
by John/NH on
We have been using
sliders up in NH in the deep clear water for years.
They work well at times and closely resemble the small senko
when you drop shot.
I remember a day on Winni ( no Bink
I won't tell you the spot) ( hint = it's out in the
Without a doubt the slider can be an excellent finesse bait.
John/NH
Posted
by Zuke on
Thanks for the "how-to's". Am I right that the "slider head" referred to is flat in countour as opposed to round?
Posted
by John/NH on
Zuke,
The answer is basically "Yes".
Try doing a search on Charlie Brewer Slider Worm and take a look at the product
and fishing information.
If I ever have a complaint about sliders it's the light wire hooks. Don't use
them on heavy line - you will straighten them out.
John/NH
Posted
by earthworm77 on
The light wire hooks were made specifically for light line use. They straighten out when snagged so you don't lose the rig. I use the Pro heads with the needle point hooks. I prefer them to the thin wire models, they both work fine though.
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Posted
by Zuke on
Thanks as always.
It is a method which is real consistent with my strengths (such as they are). I
am going to give it a legit try.
Zuke.
Posted
by JOHN G on
hey Leigh, wouldn't you
agree that the original slider worm is a very soft worm and that when you imbed
the hook into the plastic, it is extremely easy for it to come out and hook the
fish in the hookset?
you are right, Gregg and I texpose it, something
about the shape of that jighead and the angle, even
though texposed, it doesn't catch on to too much
stuff and many times I will also imbed the hook into the plastic, again, that
is it is very easy to penetrate upon hookset......
sometime next season, we have to get on the water together in a favorable
slider period, in a favorable slider water and compare the two methods in
action, trading off occasionally.....
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Posted
by Lpbassman on
Yes John...the Slider is
a very soft plastic and it does come through the worm very easily. Because of this
you do need to check it frequently if you are fishing it with the hook
embedded.
As far as next season goes...its ALWAYS a favorable slider period on almost any
body of water. I will certainly look forward to going out with you (& Gregg
too) to have as Earthy would put it............
A slider technique---SHOOT OUT!
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Posted
by Bink on
I've caught a few fish
drop shotting the Slider lizard in the Spring on Winni in the
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Posted
by Lpbassman on
Bink----I got em
all!
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Posted
by Gregg on
The spider head is the
way to go!
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Posted
by JOHN G on
Hey Gregg, something must
be missing in your image tag.....on my computer, all I see is the image tag
formula, but no image.....
let me try one to see if it is working right:
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Posted
by JOHN G on
yeah, the function is working, check your site between the tags for accuracy.....
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Posted
by Bass Rat on
quote:
Originally
posted by Lpbassman
Bink----I got em
all!
Maybe you should of used them at maho last week.
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Posted
by Anthony on
quote:
the best of all was Anthony on our boat at the 2nd Maho get together.....Anthony was even a little green in the casting dept, but I brought a rod and reel just for him set up for "brewering" and again, by the end of the day he was flying with it......
So true John...I had a great time that day and learned a great technique. I've
come a bit further since then (not to far LOL) but I've been using the slider
worm a lot this year during my club tournaments. I really do like it because it
is so easy to use. I purchased the video and found it informative but a bit loooonnnng.
Hopefully we'll be able to find some time next season to hook up and try the
slider technique again.
Anthony.
Posted
by capecodsmallie on
Earthworm,
I agree that the article wasn't very interesting. Nice to see an article on it
though. Last time I checked Slider offered 2 rods that work perfectly fine for
slider fishing.Infact I just got my hands on 3
original fiberglass slider rods. Don't know why someone would spend the money
on a g.loomis rod or something in that price range.
Don't need to. You can get a brand new slider rod from Slider for $25.00 . I
have a couple. They aren't in the catalog. You have to call them and ask for
them. They're graphite 5'2" rods.
Posted
by Lpbassman on
quote:
Originally
posted by Bass Rat
Maybe you should of used them at maho last week.
Low blow Nicky, you know I used them and caught the skunk anyway. 
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Posted
by JOHN G on
I'm sure many of us could
have slider fished til' we were blue in the face on Maho that day and still not caught fish.....bad example!
LOL......
Anthony: I would LOVE to see your improved slider fishing on my boat next
season buddy! would be so great to share a day on the water with you again! I
believe Gregg was also with us that day, let's try to arrange another outing
with the three of us , in fact, I have a dynamite slider lake for you, Whaley!!
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Posted
by joe p on
is it the worm or the jighead design that makes Slider fishing what it is?
I find the Zoom finesse worm on a slider an excellent bait when the going is
tough....
Posted
by capecodsmallie on
Joe P-
It's not really either,but then again it's both. It's
more the method of fishing. You can use any brand of finesse worm you want.
It's more about the presentation of a smaller bait with a slow retrieve. When
slider fishing you're trying to simulate the natural movement of forage fish or
other "low life" creatures. Charlie observed the natural movement of
minnows in the water and tried to duplicate it. If you watch the minnows they
glide through the water in a "do-nothin"
manner. So he tried to duplicate it.Throwthe bait out
and bring it back in a steady "do-nothin"
retrieve. Don't use your rod in the retrieve to jerk the bait. Just reel the
plastic worm back in a slow steady manner. Don't add any extra action.When reeling, try to keep a good rythm,that's
important. The method is based on the way the minnows act most of the time.
When bass feed which is about 10 percent of the day,the
minnows actions are obviously much more chaotic. That doesn't mean that you
can't catch bass with the slider method when bass are feeding,but
it should greatly improve your odds when the bass are inactive which is the
rest of the day and when most people are fishing. The reason for the light
slider heads is to let the worm fall slowly through the water column. Minnows
and "low life creatures" don't fall through the water column very fast,hence the smaller baits ie,
imitate nature.I've used other brands of worms on the
slider head and caught fish, but I really like the slider worm. More
importantly I think Charlie Brewer wanted to show people a way to catch fish
during the day when the bite slowed down and to have a fun and relaxing time
doing it.
Posted
by Bass Stalker on
Not a bad
article.....should have been more technique oriented.
Still one of the deadliest methods around......especially in clear water and
finicky fish !!!
Ronnie
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Posted
by Steve_IA on
Nice explaination CCSmallie. I would continue your discussion with depth control... the jighead weight and retrieve speed are used to control the depth at which your lure is being fished. Determining where in the water column the bass are suspended and then duplicating this depth with your lure consistantly is a prime "slider" goal. The original slider head is a flat-bottomed head that helps maintain a horizontal gliding attitude rather than an up and down jigging retrieve. Lure weight (and size/shape as it relates to water resistance), retrieve speed and line diameter are all important factors to control when slider fishing.
Posted
by Bass Rat on
quote:
Originally
posted by Lpbassman
Low blow Nicky, you know I used them and caught the skunk anyway.
Sorry Leigh, couldn't resist.
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Posted
by joe p on
quote:
The original slider head is a flat-bottomed head that helps maintain a horizontal gliding attitude rather than an up and down jigging retrieve
wouldnt a....
light split shot rig do the same?..... or a 1/16th pegged sinker.....with any 4
inch straight tailed worm?
Posted
by JOHN G on
Joe: you are
nitpicking.....of course those options will work in a variety of ways...
but if you want to do SLIDER fishing, then simply use SLIDER HEADS or SLIDER
worms....
don't make life hard on yourself.....
try it wholeheartedly first .....how can you substitute, when you haven't even
used the pure form of it yet??
think about what you are saying!!!
as we become proficient in a certain technique, then it is easier to adapt and
amend......
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Posted by Steve_IA on 11-09-2003 06:28 PM:
The flat bottom of the
original slider head allows for more resistance and can aid in slowing the
glide. Heavier line can accomplish this also. I don't think you will accomplish
the same motion with split shot or cone sinkers.
As for the worms...as far as I'm concerned, any similarly sized/shaped plastic
will work equally well as the Slider versions.
Posted by joe p on 11-09-2003 07:18 PM:
quote:
how can you substitute, when you haven't even used the pure form of it yet??
I have, John...it was one of the first techniques that I learned in bass
fishing.
Dont get me wrong, I still fish it, with the original
Slider worm and the Slider grub . But thats only when
I determine that the fishing is tough.
As a power fisherman, Slider fishing is waaaay down
my list of techniques.....
Joe
Posted by HugeFish4 on 11-09-2003 08:23 PM:
quote:
As a power fisherman, Slider fishing is waaaay down my list of techniques.....
Ditto......at the bottom of my list....just above Senko fishing. Sorry John G
and Leigh...I just ain't into it.
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Posted by JOHN G on 11-09-2003 10:09 PM:
Isn't it something how
two of the WIMPIEST guys in the world are into POWER?? fishing! .....
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA....
LOL..........
love you guys.....
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Posted by HugeFish4 on 11-09-2003 10:12 PM:
Yeah John...you keep pumping iron. Maybe someday you will be able to crankbait for more than on hour....you "Wampussy"!
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Posted by JOHN G on 11-09-2003 10:18 PM:
Hey Huge: wait until the next
session: I am READY!!! I got a 3.8 ratio Curado, put
that on the 6'6" Loomis Medium and man, that baby is to crank all day!!!
smooth, beyond belief.....
I am ready for you man!!!!!
LOL>>>>
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Posted by earthworm77 on 11-10-2003 01:13 PM:
"Wampussy"!
LOL
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Posted by Anthony on 11-10-2003 02:42 PM:
John,
thanks for the invite, getting out with you and Gregg would be great!
See you next spring.....
Anthony.
Posted by JOHN G on 11-10-2003 09:07 PM:
Anthony: it will be a
reunion!
Earthy: that is Huge's term to "belittle"
my Wampus pond catches LOL......
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Posted by Wild Bill on 11-12-2003 08:54 AM:
Sliders
Leigh: Count on it, as I
am looking forward to it still.
Maybe I could share that boat with Leigh and John G at the same time, so I
could personally 'referee' the 'slider shoot-out' , and observe both the
different methods these guys employ, learning from these two master slider
guys....or a day between Grgg and John G......surely,
either team of guys will teach me huge volumes on this technique/bait.
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Posted by JOHN G on 11-12-2003 08:57 AM:
Bill, it would be a pleasure and something to look forward to next season!!
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Posted by Wild Bill on 11-12-2003 02:19 PM:
JohnG...It would be my pleasure too
as I am sure I can learn much
from fishing with you, Gregg, and Leigh, as obviously you three have these
baits dialed in. I have learned much in my life by having shared time on the wtaers with others, and consider myself truly lucky for all
of these experiences.
Fortunately, I have the type of job that I can slip out on weekdays too,
provided I do not have appts booked for that day, so
anytime you are available, just give me a shout, and I will be there
definitely, providing my schedule allows it.
While I do consider myself a semi-decent soft-plastic angler, I am always eager
to learn more and more ways and techniques to catch more and more bass[and
share with thers too], and am anxious to add the
slider method to my repertoire as you and so many others here profess it's
great ability to catch bass, especially under tough conditions.
I do have some slider worms as well as some 3.5 and 4 inch Yamamoto Cut-tail
worms to utilize with the Spider heads[standard wire ones] I bought in 1/8 and
1/4 ounce sizes. Any additional suggestions of worm colors or heads would be
greatly appreciated. I have few spinning poles I think will suffice for this
method of bassing, including a 5'6" Bionic Blade
in "light", and a 5'8" Bionic Blade in "medium", and
Bionic Blade in 5'8"in MediumHeavy actions, as
well as some 7 foot 'medium' Bionics, as well as numerous others too. All input
and information is greatly appreciated, as are 'backseats' too.
I want to thank all that have been so gracious and kind to share their boats
with me, as well as those likewise who have shared so much fishing information
with me, too. Thanks all !!
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Posted by Lpbassman on 11-12-2003 04:06 PM:
Bill,
You can learn some good slider technique for the Evil Tyrant however I can show
you how to catch fish with it. LOL
Sorry John--couldn't resist. Please dont banish me!!
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Posted by Gregg on 11-12-2003 06:57 PM:
Bill the yammy cut-tail and standard 4" curlytail make a fine substitute as does the Berkley 4" power worms, but don't overlook the original slider 3" boot tail gurb!
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Posted by earthworm77 on 11-12-2003 08:04 PM:
Gregg, did you have any success with those paddletail worm's I poured for you?
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Posted by JOHN G on 11-12-2003 08:27 PM:
Leigh: banish you? and
what, lose the personality of the board! LOL......
will love to see your slow lift and drop variation......
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Posted by Scottb on 11-12-2003 09:25 PM:
The 4" and 6"
GYCB curltailed worms in overstocked colors are $1.49
per 20ct bag at:
www.baits.com
I am gonna get 10 bags of the 208 (watermelon/red).
ScottB
Posted by Gregg on 11-12-2003 09:38 PM:
EW yes I did, and the 2
tone color job on them was outrageous
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Posted by Wild Bill on 11-13-2003 12:01 AM:
Scott....
those are ten count bags...I have scored many now at that price since they went on sale....only certain colors though
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Posted by Wild Bill on 11-13-2003 12:04 AM:
Greg and JohnG...
what colors do you two favor for this method??
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Posted by JOHN G on 11-13-2003 07:41 AM:
BiLL: right now, my favorite worm is
the Berkely 4 inch Camo,
and favorite grub is the Watermelon Slider grub.....
I will have to look up the colors of original slider worms that I like, but one
off the bat is the black with chartreuse tail......
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Posted by Lpbassman on 11-13-2003 08:57 AM:
lesson #1 from Slider 101
Motor oil / orange tail
in early April til about mid May
(pumpkin / chartreuse as an alternate)
Junebug / chartreause from
Mid May until Hell freezes over
Plum Glitter / chartreuse is also excellent at this time.
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Posted by Wild Bill on 11-13-2003 07:59 PM:
duly noted gents....
Thanks !
Leigh, I thought you only used that one color[secret-lol],
from what I had surmised from our fishing time together and what I had heard
from you and others, but guess I was wrong. Dang, now I got to order more.....lol
I must learn to "crawl" obviously, before I can
"Slide[r]"....lol
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