Posted by Paul Mattie on 2002 AM:

"If there is a good spnrb8 bite, there is always a better jig bite"

True or false? Why?

Posted by Hawgwalker on 2002 AM:

False.....there are no always in fishing. When fish are holding tight to cover the jig may be more productive though I have seen times when they will slam a spinner and ignore the jig.

Posted by mikeD in NYC on 2002 AM:

i hardly use either but i'll take a shot.

FALSE... because a spinnerbait has a horizontal presentation and flashers to attract the more agressive fish...if that's what they want, why would they be more apt to hit a vertical or bottom presentation?...especially if it is windy or rainy, wouldn't the jig go unnoticed unless you banged him in the head with it?... i have also heard when fishing a spinnerbait and the bite is off, try using the spinnerbait like a jig, letting it drop to bottom and lifting... also, isn't a spinnerbait mimmicking a baitfish while a jig is more like a crawfish?

again, this opinion is from someone who has 1 1/2 seasons of bass fishing under his belt and has very little experience fishing these baits... i'm just trying to stimulate discussion...it seems logical to me, but i am anxious to hear other points of view.

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Posted by earthworm77 on 2002 AM:

Paul, you used that word "Always". You know nothing in fishing is ever "Always". Vertical vs. horizontal or is it the speed factor. Slow pres. vs. fast. A jig usually is best tight to cover. If bass are blasting spinnerbaits, they are roaming and aren't nec. deep in cover. I would suffice to say that roaming fish in this type of bite have a larger strike zone than the jig bite fish. I almost never mix the two when one is working. I also do not throw a jig as a follow up bait to a fast mover that missed a strike.

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Posted by ScottB on 2002 PM:

I have seen a lot of times when it becomes a matter of wether or not the bass prefer a horizontal or more vertical presentation. We got our butts handed to us immediately post-spawn by some guys pitching smaller S-baits into open pockets in the new weeds coming up. We tried soft jerks, tubes and jigs but did not come even close. Definitely one that I will remember for next year.
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Posted by ttony_5 on 2002 PM:

I think I'm with Craig on this one. I believe the spinnerbait to be a chaser bait when fish are on the move whereas the jig and more of a precision bait that you need to get and keep in front of the fish more. I admit I need to really work on my jig fishing because it can catch some big ass hawgs. I also think you need a lit more patience to fish a jig.

imho

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Posted by Scott C on 2002 PM:

caught my first (and 2nd,3rd, and 4th) bass on a jig this past week. Slow rolled spinners in the same areas first....nothing.
I am not an expert so this is merely an observation.

Jigs worked in rocks after discovering a half digested crawfish in the mouth/belly of a fish. On of EW's crafty little creations.

They also worked nicely on stumps surrounded by lillies.. little dragon fly imitators in black, purple, and sparkle.......hit the stump....let it sink and WHAM !

I will go to these baits more often that spinners........that for sure.

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Posted by earthworm77 on 2002 PM:

Good job Scott, confidence in a new bait is a good thing!!!

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Posted by paridiseblue on 2002 PM:

i have to agree with hawg and earthworm. there are definitly no absolutes

hmmm i don't think the two go together. when i think spinner bait i think fast moving in cover
the jig just makes me think pitctching or flipping into cover fishing more verticialy. i know there are people who do extremly well swimming a jig but i must be doing it wrong.

i'm sure that they could both work on any given day. i have spots where i work a fast topwater in a shallow flat and catch aggressive bass and then work my way off a hump into deep water and slow down a tube or c-rig to work a series of brushpiles. theese fish are usually close to and less active then the shallow bass but usually bigger. notice i said usually

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Posted by smallmouth sean on 2002 PM:

This is some of my experiences. Have thrown practically the whole tacklebox at em' and nothing worked- except a jig and pig! Smallmouths seem to key on their surroundings to adapt to the food source that is readily available. Whether it be baitfish, crawdads,bugs,frogs,etc.... In my opinion the jig works the best as a bottom presentation. You can slow roll spinnerbaits and let them flutter and all that good stuff but it's not going to pay off like a jig would. I think the main downfall of spinnerbaits is that you cant fish DEEP and fast with them! I fish extremely clear water and if those fish get a good look at the bait 9 out of 10 times you are not going to get bit. Both have their times and places.
Always is like never.They dont mix!
Just my opinion.......

Posted by JPBass on 2002 PM:

My first answer is false because because a spinnerbait immitates bait fish while a jig immitates crayfish. If they're feeding on bait fish why would they go after a jig?

My second answer is true! Because no matter what lure I catch a fish on, once they're in the live well, they're always spittin up crayfish. Which leads me to believe that's their meal of preference. So if they're feeding, feed um what they want.

My third answer is false. Because as many others have pointed out nothing is ALWAYS true.

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Posted by mikeD in NYC on 2002 AM:

PAUL??!!...c'mon, man...give it up!...what's your take on this topic you started?...and can you tell me what the picture is on your avatar?... i still can't quite make it out...is that a fish?

Posted by Paul Mattie on 2002 AM:

First of all for the guys that get bogged down over the term "always" substitute "most always."

I'm not really sure myself, but it sounds good doesn't it. LOL

"My second answer is true! Because no matter what lure I catch a fish on, once they're in the live well, they're always spittin up crayfish. Which leads me to believe that's their meal of preference. So if they're feeding, feed um what they want."

JP's statement reflects my feelings accurately.

I just figured that the tx fishermen would go back through their experinces and remember how many days they caught lots of fish on spinnerbaits and still got beat by guys throwing jigs or vice versa.

The comparison and contrasting of spinnerbaits with jigs was good, just not what I was after. IMO a spinnerbait is a dressed up jig.

Posted by earthworm77 on 2002 AM:

I just figured that the tx fishermen would go back through their experinces and remember how many days they caught lots of fish on spinnerbaits and still got beat by guys throwing jigs or vice versa.

Paul, I like what you said here. I'll add that If angler X is chucking spinnerbaits in a certain area on a certain lake, it does not nec. mean he can't catch the bass on jigs.......but it may not mean those bass would hit jigs either. It is possible that bass on a body of water will be on a totally different bite. I've experienced it a ton of times. My jig would work for me in a certain area. Once I moved....no bites on the jig. A pass through the hot zone...more bass on the jig. That sums up your quote.

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Posted by smallmouth sean on 2002 PM:

I'm with Mike.What the hell is that? A sardine?LOL

Posted by Paul at home on 2002 PM:

My avatar is a picture I took of a roosterfish that my wife caught in Panama on our honeymoon. Every day about noon after we were "tired" of chasing billfish we would move inshore " a la casa de Senior Gallo" where we trolled with light tackle and rounded out our offshore catches.

Posted by mikeD in NYC on 2002 PM:

a ha!...the rooster fish!... i thought it was Champ!...the prehistoric fish that lives in lake champlain!

now...one more thing, paul... i don't want to sound like i'm teasing, cause we're friends, but what is up with the two screen names???...i know one is for work and the other at home, but why?... do you have two personalities?...like batman or the incredible hulk?... i just have to know!...if it has something to do with the government, you can email me directly

Posted by Paul at home on 2002 PM:

I couldn't figure out how to post with one name from 2 computers so I have 2 screen names. I know that's pathetic, but hey I take the easy way out.

Posted by paridiseblue on 2002 PM:

mike you crack me up

by day mild mannered bruce banner lose your temper, the hulk. the hulk wears capri pants

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Posted by mikeD in NYC on 2002 PM:

whew!...ok paul...i knew there must have been a logical explanation!...

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party on man!