Posted by earthworm77 on 09-05-2003 10:29 PM:

Here is a question regarding durability

How much life do you expect to get out of a spinnerbait? A regular steel wire bait, not a titanium model. Would you be satisfied paying $5 bucks for a bait that was going to catch you 30 fish but then possibly break? My reasoning is that guys pay 6.00 for a bag of Senkos. Each bait barely lasts longer than a fish or two, is 30 bass on a spinnerbait acceptable?


Here is why:
I am developing a short arm spinnerbait. I had one guy actually take a few fish on it at the Classic. The bait is top notch in that it has a gammie hook, sampo swivel, plated blades, HydroSilk skirt, 3-D eyes etc. But the secret to its success is a thinner diameter wire. This is also its short coming. I've tested them and find that after 30 or so fish, either the wire is too mangled to run true or I've experienced a break in the wire. Now, keep in mind that these baits did catch numerous bass before failing......is this acceptable?

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Posted by bobn on 09-05-2003 10:40 PM:

is it possible to build it with a replaceable wire? this may be a dumb question/answer, but this could possibly save the loss of a good fish, the loss of the bait and the possibility of a fish not being able to shake the hook(s) loose after the magic "30" number-

after a reasonable amount of use, if i could change the wire and be as good as new i would not have a problem with that type of bait-


Posted by earthworm77 on 09-05-2003 11:02 PM:

The wire starts inside the lead head and runs all the way to the blades. A change would be impossible. upping the diameter would work but would also kill the action.......is it a fair trade off. You would pay $6 for Senkos knowing you can at least catch one fish on each one.....would you pay the 5 or 6 dollars for a spinnerbait that will catch 30 bass and then die?

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Posted by Gregg on 09-05-2003 11:27 PM:

EW how long do you estimate the average spinnerbait lasts, say a Strike King for about $2.50. Think you need to campare it to that more then a soft plastic. All soft plastic rip but hard bait like crankbait can last a long time.

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Posted by BUDDYROW on 09-05-2003 11:54 PM:

Wink

nothing last's forever...only death & taxes.....lures need to be
replaced...this is a fact.....20 - 30 fish per 6.00 spinnerbait not
really all that bad. i mean think about it... you pay 6 to 15 dollars
to fill your reel....you don't go in thinking well i only gotta do this
once...and i'm good forever....there are exspense's incurred with
this passion of our's....so grin and bear it.....

pappy alway's said if you can't spell able....back up from the table

6 bucks for 10 dildoes....could be good for 10 fish or 20 fish..???
only the shadow knows.....you only go through life once....
make the best of it.......


my 2 cents.......


Posted by earthworm77 on 09-06-2003 12:20 AM:

Gregg, I can only compare the price and the effectiveness. A regular spinnerbait may last 10 years but not catch much of anything. Those are the rusty ones on the bottom of your box or gooped up with living rubber. This one definately has the knack but I have a problem selling something if I know it will fail. I can't change the wire because it would kill the action. I'm now getting pm's telling me I'm crazy for worrying and that 30 fish on a spinnerbait is awesome.

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Posted by Theole34 on 09-06-2003 12:38 AM:

the time period i would catch 30 fish over would justify the cost. lol. i guess i never looked at a fish:bait:durability ratio before. if i caught 30 fish on a bait and it dies... oh well. 5-6$ is what i pay for avg cranks and i never calculated the durability. i have had rapalas crushed on the 2nd fish, and i have some that are 4 or 5 years old. interesting.

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Posted by Wild Bill on 09-06-2003 12:58 AM:

Earthworm...

I have had a few 'name-brand' spinnerbaits break/fail at the wire...and not one of them had caught me thirty bass. If iit was close to new, and I only had a few fish on it, I would send it back...but if it broke after thirty bass it caught...Heck, I would buy more of THEM...
Tools wear out too, and baits are just 'fishing tools'...they don't last forever....
Earthworm, every lure/bait that I have seen that you produced has been awesome stuff !!

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Posted by Theole34 on 09-06-2003 01:04 AM:

quote:


Earthworm, every lure/bait that I have seen that you produced has been awesome stuff !!




good post and pretty much sums it up... there is a website quote for you craig!

robbie

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Posted by Gregg on 09-06-2003 01:06 AM:

quote:


I'm now getting pm's telling me I'm crazy for worrying and that 30 fish on a spinnerbait is awesome.




You are crazy for worrying, people will pay for what works! Plain and simple.

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Posted by fish4walleye on 09-06-2003 08:09 AM:

If I buy a lure,catch a bunch of fish on it,it breaks,I tie on something else& my numbers drop drastically,,I'm hitting the tackle shop on my way home to pick up a couple,,,need I say more?,,Tightlines,Mark


Posted by CD_basser65 on 09-06-2003 10:09 AM:

I'm cheap

Personally I wouldn't spend 6$ on a spinnerbait.I go to Dicks and buy the .99$ specials.If you lose it or it breaks who cares.Thats just me tho and they work for me.I'm not a big spinnerbait user tho.

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Posted by Meg on 09-06-2003 02:02 PM:

While I expect to get quite a few fish on a spinnerbait before it breaks, I would definitely spend $5 on one that would catch 30 (or any number in that vicinity) fish. By trial and error, the ones I make now catch anywhere from 10-40, but they get inspected closely (or changed freq if it's a tournament) after each fish. Be sure the company you will buy the wire from has a good QA division and reputation. You might find a large variation in the quality of the wire from year to year, so don't ever stop shopping. In my opinion, it's better to make one, like you said, that will catch alot of fish, and have it cost a bit more, while realizing it might break on the sooner side. But hey, I like to spend money on fishing gear, so maybe i'm in the minority.


Posted by Scott C on 09-06-2003 03:48 PM:

I never had one break but I probably never caught 30 fish on any one bait other than on soft plastics. If the hook breaks and you loose fish because of it I would say thats a problem. If the blade arm breaks because 30 fish whacked the crap out of it I take the side of Fish4Walley and would be back at the tackle store on the way home re-stocking. I regularly replace salt water plugs that get hammered by blues and stripers...... and some of them are $ 10-12. I say 30 fish is a pretty good ratio. Thats 6 limits.


Posted by Hooked Solid on 09-06-2003 06:30 PM:

If it breaks between the line tie and the head causing me to lose a fish .I'd have second thoughts throwing it in a TX.
Is it similar wire that War-Eagle uses?I've never heard any complaints about those and they are thin wire and work well also.
Thinking about it though,everything breaks down after a bunch of good use,wire baits aren't made to last forever and should be replaced often anyway...><>...HS

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Posted by Bass Rat on 09-07-2003 06:06 AM:

To answer your question. YES. It would be worth the price. Besides most guys will hang it in a tree way befor catching 30 fish.

Think about this. How much do we pay for hooks? Why do we go through so many? It's not because they wear out right. LOL

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Posted by Hooked Solid on 09-07-2003 04:44 PM:

Re: Here is a question regarding durability

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Originally posted by earthworm77
This is also its short coming. I've tested them and find that after 30 or so fish, either the wire is too mangled to run true or I've experienced a break in the wire. Now, keep in mind that these baits did catch numerous bass before failing......is this acceptable? [/B]




I just might consider leaving this bit of info off the packaging ...><>...HS

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