Posted by yankeesrule on 2002 PM:
The Senko Has Met Its Match
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I hope You guys dont
think im crazy but here goes: The senko, the unbeatable lure, the sure thing......thats
what i thought. This year i decided to order some brewers grubs on
recommendations by our very own John G, its the best thing i have ever done. At
first i just had the grubs in my tackle bag and went with tubes instead. One
day the fishing was quite slow with the tubes and i decided to tie on a brewers
grub....mind you at this point my confidence was watching John catching fish on
this bait. It was exactly what the fish wanted. My confidence in this bait
began to increase very rapidly....I am at the point right now that i will tie
on a brewers grub in the morning and i will NOT change to another bait all day.
I dont know if this will hold up, but in the spring, you better believe that i
will have a brewers grub tied on to my line. Its a killer on LM and 10 times
deadlier on SM, Its easy to use easy to cast, very little hang ups, and once
you get the hook setting trick, your catch ratio should be at about 98 percent.
Last but not least.....the senko does work right now, but i threw every color and
size senko for about 2 hours and nothing....changed to a brewers grub and hit
the same spots that got nothing on the senko and ended up with 30+ fish....no
dinks. Until further notice the brewers grub is my go to bait. VIC.
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Posted by Gr8tSacandaga on 2002 PM:
Sounds like I'll have to
get my hands on some of these grubs! I remember first hearing about the o
mighty Brewer Grubs from John G. when I first stumbled on to this wonderful
site! Now it's time for me to try my luck with them!
Dustin
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Posted by mikeD in NYC on 2002 PM:
awesome vic!...i have never used the bait, but i will get a one-on-one lesson from brewermaster john g this saturday at maho!...i can't wait!
Posted by basshunter on 2002 PM:
Yankee:
Where can I get my hands on some..
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Posted by Gr8tSacandaga on 2002 AM:
Does anybody know if Davis's in Sloatsburgh carries them?
Thanks
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Posted by MikeM on 2002 AM:
Hey guys,
Im not familiar with a brewers grub,whats the big difference with these baits
and any other quality grub like a Kalins or Power grub ?
Thanks
MikeM
Posted by Bass Rat on 2002 AM:
Vic
How did you fish them?
Did you use the Charlie Brewer method as outlined in his book?
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Posted by PichinDocks on 2002 AM:
Senko's are a great bait, but not always the best bait. People like them because you dont have to do anything with thm, just cast and watch your line, like fishing with live bait. Senko is a "fad bait", just like the slug-go was when it came out....
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Posted by Charlie on 2002 AM:
I have to say that you
are limiting yourself by throwing only one lure all day!
The reason there are so many styles of bass fishing is because the bass
themselves change their minds on an daily, hourly or even minute by minute
basis.
To throw only Senko's or Brewer grubs, or spinnerbaits is to say the least
foolish.
I understand the "confidence bait", God knows I did it for years with
spinnerbaits and top water poppers, but if you want to grow as a fisherman and
make contact with some of the fish that don't eat brewer grubs, senkos or spinnerbaits,
you HAVE TO make adjustments and changes.
During an average 8 hour day on the water, I will change up and down with size,
color, shape, top water, mid water and bottom fishing to find any and all fish
in my designated area.
When I do find something that works, I stay with it until the bite slows or
"dies", but I do not give up on that area. Chances are the bass are
wary of the bait, the size or the color, so throw something different. You are
missing many a golden opportunity
by limiting yourself....
As for Senko's being a "fad" I can only say that this particulat bait
is as important to bass fishing as the fax machine was to international
business! When they first came out, everyone said, "what the heck do we
need these machines for, the post works just fine"..... Now a business
without a fax is a business in decline!
Tight Lines!
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Posted by PichinDocks on 2002 AM:
A - MEN... I guess "fad bait" is a little harsh, i am just so sick of hearing about them, like there the answers to everything..... Don't get me wrong when the fish are inactive, and looking for an easy meal they are a great bait, and I like them alot, but ENOUGH ALREADY....................
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Posted by Mark G on 2002 AM:
Online Site for Brewer Grubs
Pete--
Try:
http://www.fishingworld.com/Slider/
Mark
Posted by theole34 on 2002 AM:
everything has a time and
a place.
right now the senko bite hasn't come to full bloom around here. i noticed this
past weekend that it still isn't fully developed. there are signs that the senko
is/isn't quite at full potential, and when you can read them it helps.
what vic is experiencing is brewers grub at full bloom. don't discount your
other baits vic. baitlock is deadly to your fishing experience. enjoy the
brewers while it is in full swing, but turn to your other producers as they
become the "time and place" bait.
once you figure out when and where each baits "time and place" are...
you are my HERO. i have figured out a few really good ones, and there niche,
but still have a ton to learn. this board helps a little by seeing and hearing
each others fortune and misfortune. it kind of irons out a few of the kinks.
robbie
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Posted by Lieutenant on 2002 AM:
Charlie . . .
Your exactly right, grubs
or senkos are just fishing tools. Like the fax analogy, they thought they were
useless until they learned how to use them and to create more efficiency.
Fishing is the same way, all your lures and baits are just tools - when you
learn how/when/where to use them you become a more efficient fishermen.
It is great to have confidence baits -you have too! But not where the bait is
going to solve all your problems - the wonder bait! Thats like saying your
going to drop 100lb by that ab machine with the electric pulses! Will you lose
weight probably - but not a 100 lb and not by just using that machine!
My brother and I used to go every weekend and buy what ever the TV shows were
using to catch fish! Stupid but we built are tackle boxes up! You don't need
every lure invented or the one "magic" bait. You need to tools to get
the job done for that specific situation. 
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Posted by theole34 on 2002 AM:
here's the gub in case you have not seen them...
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Posted by Scott C on 2002 AM:
Rob,
Do they sell those around here or do you only get them online ?
They do look deadly !
Posted by theole34 on 2002 AM:
good question.
i have seen them throughout the state, but don't know if causeway or mr b's has
them. mr b's will order anything you want. just give him a description and an
amount. he's good like that. you get them within a week.
support your local mom and pops!!!!
robbie
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Posted by Scott C on 2002 AM:
I'll try them.....the
guys in ronkonkoma will order them too I
believe.....
Thanks
Posted by patx on 2002 PM:
....even Tiger Woods uses
more than one club......
Great reply Charlie.
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Posted by yankeesrule on 2002 PM:
Charlie, im not saying
that i am limited to one bait, but what i am saying is, that right now i throw
tubes, spinnerbaits, senkos, and anything else i wish to throw and it just doesnt
compare with the consistency of the grub. To put it another way, when the grub
bite slows down i will change, just like i changed to the grub when the tube
bite slowed down. Now let me ask you this : If you go to any given lake and the
first lure you have tied on just keeps producing for you all day....overcast or
not, windy or not.... do you change it ? I start the day with this bait and it
just doesnt stop getting hit....should i change it ? Right now this bait is as
hot as the senko was during the summer, maybe hotter. just my observations.
VVIC.
P.S. when i throw it, i expect a fish to hit it....i dont wish. Thats how
consistent it is right now.
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Posted by earthworm77 on 2002 PM:
Charlie, dead-on bro!!!! Vic you are a nutty nutbag if you are swearing those Senkos off. The Brewers grub is a great bait in itself and there is a definate time to use it but it is not really what I would consider a versatile bait. I think I remember you offering tremendous support for the Senko last year and I'm positive you've caught a ton more fish on it than the Brewers grub....you can't abandon one of the most successful and inovative new baits of all time. This is not a "Fad bait". I'm confident it will be around for a long long time to come....hey, the Slug Go is still very popular and I don't think it can hold a candle to the Senko. I'vre caught bass from 4" of water to about 40 feet on it. I know Pat has hit them deeper. I'd like to see how successful the Brewers is around heavy cover and docks. You can't limit yourself to one thing. Its easy to be high on a bait after a successful outing but don't give up on old faithful. I've had success with the Brewers grub and took several very nice smallmouths on it so I'm not cutting it up here. I'm big into jigs but I would be cutting off my arms by eliminating a certain bait from my arsenal. There are times that I go several trips without picking up a jig.
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Posted by Scott C on 2002 PM:
I do agree that if it aint broke dont fix it........ BUT.......sometimes if the bite is on and I have more than 10 fish caught I'll switch baits just to break up the pattern. each bait produces different types of strikes....... I like to experience as many as possible. ......If I go through the list of things I like to throw and none are producing you bet your bottom I am going back to what produced.......being a diehard finesse fisherman I usually go with some sort of worm. Senko's have been very very good to me.....but.....so have others...and I will always try a new technique.
Posted by Scott C on 2002 PM:
EW- Do some of the G.E.W.W. worms count as senko's ? You know....those "mama mia worms"
Posted by yankeesrule on 2002 PM:
Maybe im not making this
clear. I have more confidence in the senko than i do in anything else, bar
none. I have caught so many fish with senkos that i will never stop using it.
All im trying to say is that right NOW the grub is getting alot more attention
than the senko.....will the grub bite slow down or stop ? probably, and when it
does you better believe the next thing tied on my line will be a senko. As much
as i love the grub right now, if you made me choose one bait i would take the senko,
because it is proven in all conditions, the grub has alot of proving to do.
Right NOW its on fire, and when the fire goes out, i will go back to the flame
that doesnt go out....the SENKO. VIC.
P.S. Look at my motto. I use senkos therefore I am. Craig you couldnt pry the senkos
from me if you had the A team with ya. lol
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Posted by Bass Rat on 2002 PM:
vic
How did you fish them?
Did you use the Charlie Brewer method as outlined in his book?
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Posted by yankeesrule on 2002 PM:
Bass Rat, I fish them just fast enough not to hit the bottom, if there are weeds i fish them faster...just above the weeds...i like to feel the top of the weeds just nicking the bait. As far as the retrieve, i have tried stop and go, dragging it, fast, and of all retrieves, the slowest , steady retrieve has been most effective. As for the hook setting, it can be tricky... it takes some getting used to...especially if you like to set the hook hard. On the retrieve, when you feel pressure all of a sudden you got a fish...just keep reeling and tilt the rod towards you..kinda like a slow motion sweep, after you feel him pull then pull hard....works for me every time. VIC.
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Posted by Bass Rat on 2002 PM:
Thanks Vic
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Posted by Gregg on 2002 PM:
I do
Brewer outlines 2 methods in the book the swim and the hop. I think it is most affective as swim bait. It can be swam at any height in the water column but I have had the best results keeping it near the bottom swam just fast enough to make the boot tale move but not fast enough to raise it up you want it to tick the tops of the tallest rock from time to time. I try to use a very methodically steady retrieval a smooth reel like a Stradic helps in this. That’s not to say a hop method like fishing a worm couldn’t work, it does. Rigged on a spider slider jig the hook is in the grub and not exposed making it weedless it can be employed in and around heavy cover. It’s also is a very easy bait to skip under docks, active bass under docks waiting to ambush something will hit any well presented piece of plastic and it light and easy to skip far back under the dock!
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Posted by Gregg on 2002 PM:
One more thing...
As for the which is the
better all around bait the Senko or the Grub?!!!
Your both wrong "THE TUBE "
oh no now you;ve gone and done it
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Posted by earthworm77 on 2002 PM:
Vic, you've redeemed yourself.....now Gregg.....I do love tubes but........I think that in my fishing the tube is a seasonal bait moreso than a Senko. I mean, at times I am on tube patterns in certain parts of the year....the bass just don't want anything else. But a Senko seems to catch fish all the time. I'm not saying that I won't get bit with a tube, I am saying that they are better at certain times than at others.
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Posted by earthworm77 on 2002 PM:
Scott, the handpoured bait you are referring to is a totally different animal than the Senko. This bait is topsecret so shhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! about it already!!!! No more talk about it capeesh?????
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Posted by joe pido on 2002 PM:
some mighty big words, Vic
...lol...those grubs are
good, so are the senkos. Use what ever you have confidence in. ....
joe
Posted by HugeFish4 on 2002 PM:
I refuse to fish the Senko! Damn it!
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Posted by lastcastme on 2002 PM:
I could'nt get a sniff on
a Senko tonight.
I put on a watermelon seed w/chart.tail
lizard and wham!!!Go Figure???
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Posted by Scott C on 2002 AM:
Bring em next Sunday Bernie
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EW- I wont say another word........after this.
Whatever you do dont loose the recipe !
Nuff said.
Posted by PichinDocks on 2002 AM:
I know guys in one of my clubs , all they throw are those damn senko's, and they haven't won very much.... Again THE SENKO IS A GREAT BAIT.... and should definetly be part of anyone's arsenal, but enough about them already....
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Posted by earthworm77 on 2002 AM:
Some guys beat it to death Pitchin, it is a great bait. To refuse to fish it is seriously handicapping yourself(Hugefish). It has to do with knowing when to change gameplans.
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Posted by PichinDocks on 2002 AM:
agreed, worm! NOthing loads the boat full of hogs, like the jig & pig....
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Posted by HugeFish4 on 2002 PM:
Earthy, I like to challenge myself through total refusal and denial of the "Senko". Why throw the Senko, when I can dunk some minnows?! They are cheaper! LOL!
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Posted by JOHN G on 2002 PM:
John, you are cutting off your nose to spite your face....try the damn senkos already! LOL...... JOHN G
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Posted by hvbassmaster on 2002 PM:
The true test of a bait
is "Does it help YOU boat more fish!!".
I love a tube (piching docks, rocky ledges TX-rigged in grass, And so on )
"Senko" are great too but they are only as good as the angler that is
throwing them. I can hit the same ball with the same bat that Bonds uses Does
that mean I am going to have 74 HR no.
What makes a fisherman good is not what he is throwing or how he is presenting
it; but it is time spent fishing, experiance, wisdom, and the collective knowlage
that they have learned but their is more to it; it is reading the fish and the
conditions and takeing all of the above rolling in to a choice of where to fish
and what to throw as he/she see it.
With all of this is going for them even the best tournament angler will go out
on a lake and catch a Skunk.
Throw what works for you, I know there must be a group of you out there that
have a box full of $4!+ that you don't use, as I do myself; but when the money
is on the line we always go back to the bait that you have the most confidance
in and it usally works.
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