Posted by basserachi on 2003 AM:
Salty Dogs and Surfcasters
I'm looking to round out
my fishing a little this year and decided that for the first time in years, I'm
gonna go back and try some Crappie, Trout, and even saltwater fishing this
season...I figured, it would fill some of the deadspots and break up all the
bass fishing...
Besides, I fish for bass so much and never keep any, and my family often
questions whether I catch anything at all..Last season we brought home a nice
brown trout for my father, and he looked at me like he had just hit the
lotto...I don't eat fish, but I wanna bring him the occasional eats...
I have some SW gear, but really mixed and matched a lot of it, not knowing what
I'll prefer in the future...It's a whole different game...I also have a lot of
older gear like Fenwick 7 ft rods, that I think are still very nice, even by
today's standards...They do need upgraded reels though...
Anyway, recently I got a new 10 foot Ugly Stik (for $10.00) and was looking to
match it up with a good reel...I also happened to pick-up a Sustain 6000 and
tried it on that rod...It looks like an "ultralight on a flippin stik"...Any
advice on what to look for to complete this outfit ,or should I scrap it and
start over?
I had a Shimano Thunnus 16000 and it was huge...I bought it on a tuna trip in
the Keys, I think...I traded it for some other gear because I thought it was
disturbingly big...Maybe I should have kept it...I liked the baitrunner feature
it had...It gave the reel more versatility for artificial and bait
presentations...It seemed a good step above other Baitrunners I've seen...
Im a "fish out of water" (no pun intended) with this salt water
stuff, so any advive from the SW guys would be greatly appreciated, especially
from you Long Islanders...
Also, any info on the hot seasons for stripers and blues as well as any other
enjoyable species or spots to fish from shore, day or night, would be greatly
appreciated...I like action, and prefer artificial baits...But if were talking
tons of porgies, flounder, etc, I'll do the bait thing...Maybe I can hook up
with some of you "salty dogs" over the season...Thanks ahead...
Mark
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Posted by Gregg on 2003 AM:
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Anyway, recently I got a new 10 foot Ugly Stik (for $10.00) and was looking to match it up with a good reel...I also happened to pick-up a Sustain 6000 and tried it on that rod...It looks like an "ultralight on a flippin stik"...Any advice on what to look for to complete this outfit ,or should I scrap it and start over?
Really don't know much about SW fishing, but have also been thinking about
getting a setup that would be good for striper fishing from shore along the Hudson. Was thinking of a 9' rod with a
5000/6000 size reel. So I think your setup will be fine for that might want
even a longer rod if your surf fishing.
$10 for a 10' Ugly Stik is some deal!
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Posted by JPBass on 2003 AM:
I think you'll find
"jpsurf", a member of this board, does a lot of surf casting and
could certainly point you in the right direction for some new gear.
If you can't track him down here's a link to another board which will give you
all the info you requested and more.>>>noreast
P.S. There's a saltwater section on this forum too although only a few frequent
it.
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Posted by Scott E. on 2003 PM:
Oh how I miss
the salt!!!
Mark & Gregg
For plugs in the surf the 10' Ugly stick should be sufficient unless it is real
whippy, you don't want a broom stick for a plug rod but you also don't want a
wet noodle, just something with a backbone to be able to fight fish as well as
cast a plug that weighs a few ounces. I can't recommend a better rod than a St.
Croix Premier 10'6" PSRS106MH2, this is a sweet rod for casting big plugs
and light enough were your not going to feel your shoulders being pulled from
the sockets after 30 or so casts, you may also want to check out Star rods, I
thought they had some nice rods for the price but I am a bit partial to the
thinner handle on the St. Croix.
For bait in the surf you may want a longer rod like maybe 12' but no bigger
than 14'. You want a rod that you can sit in a sand spike and still be over the
tops of the waves otherwise your rig tends to pick up and bounce and you end up
with a 3oz sinker and baited hook sitting on the beach instead of the water.
This rod can have more whip to it rather than being stiff but still not quite
double over on a big blue or striper.
As far as reels go I would suggest go with a good quality reel but don't go
overboard, you can purchase a good reel that your going to use a few times a
year without spending a small fortune.
A Daiwa BG60 is a good reel for just under $90, it will hold 225yds of 20lb
line, the BPS Offshore Angler Ocean Master SF5500 is also a good choice for just under $70.
The Shimano Thunnus TU16000 is an excellent reel, all I can say is why? with a
maximum line capacity of 220 yds of 30lb line it is about perfect for the job
although the TU12000 is also a good choice for the job at hand but at $230 it
is a bit steep. You can spend upwards of $600 to $700 on a excellent outfit but
it is not going to make you catch any bigger fish than the guy walking down the
beach with a $140 outfit, if the fish are there and you have a good sturdy
outfit of course using the right bait or plug your going to catch as many as
that guy, the size though is another story and the rod and reel still don't
make the difference.
For the Hudson Gregg, I don't recommend going over board, you can get a real
good Hudson River rod and reel combo for under $120, if you can go a little
cheaper so you can get a few more setups, unlike the surf the Hudson in the
spring when the stripers are spawning the fishing is a lot slower as the fish
are much more sluggish, more rods in the water better your chances of hooking
up with a big'un.
In the hudson the spring is the "hot season" from about early May to
mid June is the best time in the river, bloodworms Gregg, plenty of bloodworms
at almost $6.00 a dozen. In the surf I find my favorite time to be from about
August to the end of November, thats pluggin' time, from about May to August
chunk baits, clams and eels.
It's been a long time since I cast into the surf(about a year now) and I miss
it a lot. I miss watching the bait boil in the wash and the big stripers
splashing right at my feet, hooking up one fish after another for an hour or so
at a time and having my arms so tired of fighting fish that I just sat down and
watched them pass by, getting up early in the morning walking down on the beach
with rod and surf bag in hand and seeing silhouettes of weakfish leaping in the
sunrise, if just the sounds of that excite you just a bit, wait until it happens
to you and you will understand why I miss it.
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Posted by NO LUCK on 2003 PM:
PENN 704Z
If you dont want to invest
much keep the 10ft Ugly and add a Penn 704Z to it. You will have a good setup
that will handle most of the surf. I use the Penn z series on all my surf stuff
and it's great. I try to stay away from all the precision stuff in the salt (It
takes a serious beating). Ive also had good good luck with the Diawa BG series
which can be had for a little less that the Penn Z's.
Search the Salt section for some posts by MarkG he was looking for a salt setup
some months back and got some good info...In a few more months the salt section
will start to heat up...Matt
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Posted by basserachi on 2003 PM:
Thanks guys...
I'm really reluctant to buy a new expensive SW rod but I am looking to salvage
what I have with some additions as the bargains turn up and i see how the SW
thing works out...Although, I may be getting a Shimano Tallus really
cheap...But I'll keep the rod advice handy for next time...
I have a big Penn Z, I think...I think its the one with the unskirted
spool...I'll try that on one of my rods...
But answer me this, the reels just look so unnatural on those big rods, is that
suppose to be the case?.....
If it is, Ill re-try the sustain 6000 on the Ugly Stik, or is it too small?...
Thanks and keep it coming...
Mark
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Posted by Scott E. on 2003 PM:
Too small
Mark,
The Shimano Sustain SA6000FB looks to be too small as the spool will only hold
170YDS of 16lb line, I like a reel rated a bit higher that will hold a little
more line, at least 200YDS+ of 20lb or bigger line.
In the surf with plugs my choice of line is 50lb Power Pro braid, it's good
line and holds up well, so with the larger spool I can accommodate close to
200YDS, just in case that big fish decides to make a big run and even with
chunk baits and such like a reel with some heavier line.
Don't get rid of that reel just quite yet though as it is a good reel for the
rivers, inlets, bay and sound and tossing smaller plugs and jigs for weaks and
cocktail blues.
It may look a bit strange but I assure you, you will not want to see what a big
striper or a few big blues will do to an undersized reel, I have seen even
expensive reels trashed in a few trips.
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Posted by jpfsurf on 2003 PM:
704z
Thanxs JP.Mark you'll
find alot of info over there,but I like this site just as much.Theres more
salty stuff there.
This question comes up very often.I would use the ugly & match it up,just
like no luck said with the 704.$89 & your all set.When you pick one up have
them drill it out for ya,or doit yourself.If you plan on hittin the suds,&
are as crazy as some of us rats,Nor Easters are my fav.Your reel will take on alot
of salt & sand.Drilling the holes in the spool skirt will let the sand
& salt exit the bottom.,I can't tell ya how many times it jambed up on me.Clean
your drags after every use,I'll take mine out & clean each 1.Just remember
how they go back in.Once you get hooked to the surf then you can step up in gear,see
if its you first,before you start spending alot of money.I can't tell you how
many guys get all hipped up to fish the suds,get all the gear & use it
maybe 3 times,then it just sits,because they struck out,before they put there
time in.And gave up.
Places to fish:
College point,Prospect point & sands point on the North shore.South shore
Breezy point,Rockaway point & Fort tilden.
You must remember the Large are coming from the Chesepeke,the hudson &
further south,After they spawn they head out in search of bait to feed for
there migration north.Bass & blue's follow the bait.Due to this cold winter
I am expecting the sand eels to return.Cold winters yield good
Hatches(according to preveous cold winters)The last 2 years have been very
mild,& saw very little if any on the south shore.We saw some on the N.shore
but very little.They should start hatching around may,June in the back
creeks.(depends on water temp)Just make sure you have plenty of needle's & teaser's.Lets
not forget about the Herring that are currently in our baysOnce the weather
breaks they will start moving out.(as long as the seals did'nt eatem all)The Mackeral
are around also.
I usually start my scouting in April on the N. shore.May brings on the start of
the season,When I start fishing hard,sometimes 7 days a week.At night,early mornings.Remember
a Log is very important to your success,in time you will create some what of a
pattern year after year.You gotta put your time in,thats what it is all about.Just
like anything else.I could talk about this for ever.Now I'm rambling.
Posted by thefishingline on 2003 PM:
Call me 516-889-6895 I'd be more than happy to take you trough the paces. I have been guiding in the salt surf for many many years.
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Posted by jpfsurf on 2003 PM:
How about some input
Share with us.We share with you
Posted by BARRY on 2003 PM:
JP I wasn't going to comment until I saw your last post. Very nice story about your ice fishing trip Rich. Care to elaborate on it. Like the man said "share with us we share with you"
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Posted by JOHN G on 2003 PM:
thanks for all the people
who responded to Mark's request.....Rich offered his phone number to Mark, I
believe that is enough, this is NYBass, and while it's great that many of the
guys have chimed in here with salt water information, nobody really has to,
remember that......
we certainly live in an area downstate where surfcasting is accessible and
another fishing alternative...
JOHN G
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Posted by thefishingline on 2003 AM:
I posted more about the
ice fishing trip. I was exhausted and too tired to type last night. As for the
surfcasting part of it...there is just so much info on what and where to buy,
what you need, different pound tests for different situations and the equipment
needed to surf fish in Montauk is so much different sometimes than what is
needed in Long Beach etc, it is just one of those things where it it would so
much easier and quicker for Mark to speak about it over the phone than wite the
book needed back and forth in type to cover the bases Mark asked about. 
Thanks JOhn G
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Posted by BARRY on 2003 AM:
Rich, Thanks for the Ice
fishing report.
Barry
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Posted by thefishingline on 2003 AM:
welcome...I am going
again on Wednesday if it is not bitterly cold or windy. Like I said I love the
ice now but you won't find me sitting like a lunatic in 0 degrees either
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Posted by basserachi on 2003 PM:
Thanks for the info
"fishingline"...I will take you up on your very generous offer to
speak to you via phone for a quick education on the things I mentioned...And
thanks ahead for all your help "fishingline"and to the rest of the
board members who also contributed to this thread...Ive already learned some of
the fundamentals and gained some direction from this thread...
Thanks again...
Mark
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Posted by Scott C on 2003 AM:
Just to add a bit....Like
Rich said you could write a book here.
I do pretty well with just a 7' stick med action and a reel in the 4000 series.
Nothing fancy but it can toss a plug to where the fish frequently are...close
to shore corralling bait fish. Anything from 1/2oz to 2 maybe 3 oz is managable.
I find it easier to cast for long periods. This is primarily for NON surf
applications though. Back bays, creeks, lagoons, North Shore, etc.
Surf casting in the ocean or off jetty's you need the long sticks.
Oh yeah.....for quick fun keep an ultralight 5-6ft and a few 1/8 - 1/4 oz Kastmasters
handy for when the snappers or schoolie bass are in....... you WONT be sorry.
SC
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