Posted by Johnkud on 2002 AM:

License question and opinion

Once again we hear the State of NY thinking about raising the price of a NYS Fishing license a few bucks . I myself , for the amount of fishing I do , have no problem with that as long as the funds GO to conservation and NOT some program by the State for other things . even if they were to raiseit to $20 a year , I think it's still a good deal . I spoke to a few friends that think that would be excessive but on the other hand , these are people that drop $50 for ONE night of pay per view .
Also , does anyone know how long fishing laws have been in effect in this state without ANY changes to them ? I heard the DEC is looking into some changes down the road and that's why we see more waters in NY having extended bass seasons and catch and release dates other than the traditional opening and closing days .


Posted by Sean Heitman on 2002 PM:

Every year there area few changes...usually not enough to get crazy about.
HOWEVER!! this year there are quit a few POSSIBLE changes across th board.

go to the NYSDEC web site and the whole list is there.

you can also e-mail the DEC with your comments on individual proposals.

Ther is no mention of the change in liscence fee.


Posted by OnceBitten on 2002 PM:

Here is what I pay every year in order to enjoy my two favorite past times, hunting and fishing:

Sportsman's: $31.00
Bow Stamp: $11.00
Muzzleloader: $11.00
2nd Season Deer: $11.00
Turkey stamp: $2.50
Duck stamp (Fed.) $15.00

Grand total: $81.50

This does not include any of the license fee's I pay for out of state or
Canada. Nor does it include all the money I actually spend on these pursuit's.

In short, I still think it's the best money I spend all year. What an incredible state to live in. World class fishing for bass, walleye, pike, trout and salmon within 15 minutes of my house. Hunting land's that most sportsman would die for. A DEC that does a hell of a good job managing the these lands and fisheries. What more can we ask for?

I fished with Chris M. at the Kueka get together. Chris is from PA. He told me straight out, "Fred, you don't know how lucky you are to live around here. In PA, we have nothing like this." And you know what? He's right.

We spend more then $80 going out with a women for a night. Add up the dinner, drinks, movie's or whatever, We probably spend more. To spend the same amount for a whole season in our woods and on our lakes? Fine with me.

I LOVE
NEW YORK - For hunting and fishing!

Fred


Posted by Dominic on 2002 PM:

I would pay because I have to fish, but there is no other state that I've fished in that requires their residents to pay as much as New York does already. Somethings wrong here. Everyone has longer seasons and less license fee's, so NY goes opposite and has shorter seasons and bigger fee's. I too pay close to 80.00 to hunt and fish in NY and it is a good place, but the same is said about other states from their residents who dont pay as much as us. They should leave license fee's alone. Dominic


Posted by ADKBass on 2002 PM:

NYBass members should NOTE: when you purchase the Big Game license, it will include the Small Game for a total cost of $19 -- so you dont need to buy both. Small Game only is $16. More importantly, the fishing license is going from $14 to $19. Non-resident fishing is going from $35 to $40. ALSO NOTE: these are only proposed.

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Posted by Dean on 2002 PM:

I don't really consider our license fees extraordinary. I generally get a sportsmen's license and turkey permit. I think it comes to less than $35.00. What are the license fees in some of the other states close to us like, NJ, CT, PA?


Posted by wnybassman on 2002 PM:

NY has been talking about raising license fees to $20 for about three years now. I wish they would quit talking about it and just do it, because by the time they do, it will need to be more anyway.

I would not mind seeing it raised to $20, especially if more is done for our sport of bass fishing. Our state is wonderful in its trout stocking programs, muskies hatcheries, walleye stocking and management, but very little is done for bass. As time goes on, some of our lakes and rivers need more attention in the way of stocking and better management.

I just looked, and
Vermont is $20 for a resident, but I just paid $41 for my non-resident there. Not sure about PA, but I think it may be close to that. I also buy my Canadian season license ($56 CAN) and a Seneca Nation license ($14) for fishing Kinzua Reservoir.

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Posted by JOHN G on 2002 PM:

I go for the NY, Jersey and Conn licenses, that comes to Seventy something right there, then I have the Westchester County and Taconic permits that comes to another 65, so I am going for almost 150 just in licenses and permits for fishing.....money well spent, if I was still cartopping I would go for the Harriman also..... JOHN G


Posted by GANGGREEN on 2002 AM:

Here are the PA license fees.

In PA I pay $16 for a resident fishing license and $5 for a trout stamp which is required to fish for trout.

To hunt I pay $20 for my general hunting license.
$20 for my furtaker (trapping)
$16 for archery.
$11 for muzzleloader.
$6 for a doe tag.

Clearly I pay more to hunt and trap than I do to fish in PA but as many of you pointed out, both are real bargains.

I just came back from the Harrisburg sports show where I saw tens of thousands of sportsmen dropping hundreds (or many thousands) of dollars on clothing, calls, resorts and lodges, fishing gear and just plain garbage yet these same sportsmen bitch about license fees.

There is another thread up right now about the "reasonably priced" BPS Extreme rods (which I own two of). These things sell for $100 or roughly 5 years worth of fishing license fees.

As Fred pointed out, we'll easily pay $80 or more to take a girlfriend out on the weekend (or for those of us with families we'll avoid spending too much on our girlfriends) yet whine about license fees.

Noel, you're point about services is well taken but I think that most fisheries managers would argue that bass are harder to manage and tend to be at the mercy of the fishery itself. I doubt that stocking would have much impact on most waters. Fish structures and things of that nature might have an impact on some waters.

The truth is that even if you just considered the public access sites that are provided by the DEC your license dollars are well spent.


Posted by OnceBitten on 2002 AM:

Frankly, I feel even better now that I know a PA DEC officer (or their version of) has to pay $94 a season to do the same things I do!

In regards to GangGreens nice post about valentines day, it was so heartwarming, I decided to take my troublesome girlfriend out for a night of fine wine, dining, and roses and try to salvage the relationship.

Of course the new Bass Pro Marine catalog arrived sortly thereafter, and I realized that money could be better spent on a new pedestal seat, pole holders, 12ga marine wire and some waterproof decking for the boat I'm refurbishing. Hello Bass Pro, bye bye troublesome girlfriend. Looks like I''ll be spending my valentines day laying fiberglass instead of laying...


Posted by JOHN G on 2002 AM:

I dont know Fred, we have a little dilemmna here...LOL...IMHO, what lies at the end of the romantic evening beats a hundred days on the water, but of course, I am influenced by my own personal situation.....now, wouldn;t it be great if you could learn how to balance the two in your life.....remember Miyagi's advice in the Karate Kid? BALANCE DANIEL SAN!! LOL! JOHN G


Posted by OnceBitten on 2002 AM:

Compare and contrast:

My boat vs my ex-girlfriend:

1) My boat doesn't care if I'm on another boat.
My ex got pissed if I was on another woman.
Winner: Boat

2) My boat doesn't care if I leave it outside in the rain.
My ex did. Boat wins again.

3) My friends enjoy my boat.
They couldn't stand my ex. Boat

4) My boat never asked me "what are you thinking".
My ex never shut the @%&@ up. Boat

5) My boat knows we have a future together.
My ex made a bad assumption. Boat

6) My boat requires alot of costly accesories.
So did she. Push

7) It takes alot to find another boat.
There's lots of pretty women out there. Hmmmm...

That's it. I'm keeping the boat and finding a new women. Maybe I'll find an ex-model who owns a Pizza Hut and a liquor store. Both right on the water. With a nice dock. If anybody knows of one, please ask her to give me a call. And send a picture of the dock.

Fred


Posted by Scott E. on 2002 AM:

Thumbs upMoney well spent.......

I look at it this way the fee for my sportsmans license is money well spent, even though I have not hunted for about 5 years I still keep buying the sportsmans license, just in case I decide I want to head back out to the woods for either small or big game hunting.

I don't see the license fee as being a big expense, not when guys spend hundreds on rods and reels at a drop of a hat. I drop a few hundred or thousand on the sport every year, starting with my license, permits, rods, reels, line, lures, gas to get to the lake and many other things.

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Posted by boatman on 2002 PM:

john i do know the type of person that you are talking about.im sure there are the guys who will bitch like a women about the price.i also think that it will weed out the fisher men who think that they know it all,and that they are the best thing that has happened to fishing since the SENKO!! i for one would not mind them raising the peice up to $ 30 i have owned a life time permit for a while now so they can raise it up as much as they want

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Posted by JOHN G on 2002 PM:

Fred, you have crying with laughter over here! And Boatman, you have me totally confused! LOL! what did you mean with the weeding out part of the post, I am lost...... JOHN G


Posted by boatman on 2002 PM:

just that i have meet some guys who think they are the best fishermen . but when i get them on the water they really do not know how to fish that well at all, or what ever they are fishing with is the biggest secrete in the world and it produces more weeds than fish. these same guys also complane about the money involed with fishing. thtas all not that they are bad guys just bad fishermen.

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