Posted
by Gr8tSacandaga on 2002 PM:
Good
Day turned bad....
Well Giorgio and I went
fishing at about
The first perch Giorgio caught was a REAL HOG!!! It had either just eaten alot or was very pregnant as this had a humungous belly!
The picture is below....
Now the "turned bad" part... as we were coming out of the woods to
leave a police officer was there and said we aren't supposed to be back there
because its private property. We said we didn't know that and that we've fished
there many other times without being stopped(other police and water company
people have seen us fishing before) We said we were sorry and that we wouldn't
fish there again... he could have just warned us and told us not to fish there
again..... but there are always those jerky cops that
don't give you a break.. and he continued .... Soooooo.
He took Giorgio's license, got his information from the license, then asked me
for my name and phone number and everything.. He said
he'd "HAVE to report us to the Water company and they may press charges on
us(for entering private property) which would result
in us having to go to court"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
I hope the
Water Company doesn't follow through with this because its
really ridicolous... Couldn't the cop have been doing
something more to protect the public like finding people doing drugs or
something!!! We were just fishing for GOD SAKES!!!!!
So Anyways.. it started as a
good day but it ended with us pretty mad because of the cop... Oh
Well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by bobn on 2002 PM:
if the land was not
posted you may have an argument--the cop was probably not an outdoorsman--if he
was, he most likely would have given you a verbal warning and sent you on your
way--good luck--bobn
Posted
by Gr8tSacandaga on 2002 PM:
Bob, It was posted on a
rusty old sign that was like facing the other way.. I
had realized that it was the water company's land, but I didn't realize that we
weren't allowed to enter because theres only a small
section with fencing around it (we didn't crawl over or under any fencing) we
just walked through the woods to the stream.. Oh well
I don't think they will follow through with it IF the cop noted that we were
just fishing.. If the cop just said that we were back
there and didnt note what we were doing then mabye 
Oh well
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by bobn on 2002 PM:
take some pictures--is the access a
well worn path? take pix-take pix of the torn down
fence--worst case senerio, if you have to face the
judge, which i doubt, you can show him that this is a
common occurrence and you may have just been there at the wrong time
Posted
by Gr8tSacandaga on 2002 PM:
Bob, sorry for not making
it clear... THERE IS NO FENCE that we went past.. no hole in the fence.. JUST NO FENCE AT ALL! And people fish
back there AAAAAAALLLLL the time! I've fished there for the past 2 years and
have not ever been stopped.. the
access path is a pretty worn down path.. it is right
along the fence where all the trees and everything has been worn down.... Oh
Well I doubt the Water Company will follow through with it and if so then we i don't think we have anything to worry about.. I'll take pictures like you said
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by Gregg on 2002 PM:
The water company would
look like a real sh*t heel for pressing charges
against a couple of kids for fishing!
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Posted
by Woody on 2002 PM:
Dustin...Dustin
I hope you learn your
lesson.
YOU KNEW THE WATERCOMPANY IS NOT ALLOWING FISHING THIS YEAR.... It was
mentioned in an earlier thread this Spring...which YOU
responded to.
"I had realized that it was the water company's land"
I don't think blaming a Police Officer ENFORCING the BAN on Fishing on
WATERCOMPANY Property is to blame.
For anyone who did not get the message
DO NOT FISH UNITEDWATER Reservoirs in NY and NJ.
They are STRICTLY enforcing a NO Fishing Ban and are CLOSED.
Sounds like you got BUSTED....Dustin
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by Frank J on 2002 PM:
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by JOHN G on 2002 PM:
I have to agree with
Woody....this was posted on here several times as he pointed out. As you see,
"everyone" doing it doesn't make it right when an officer stops
you.....however, I also believe that the officer could have handled it a little
bit better....again, I doubt as most said that the water company would press
charges against you guys....... JOHN G
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Posted
by Gr8tSacandaga on 2002 PM:
I guess I learned my
lesson I just think
its stupid to not allow people to fish the stream that has nothing to do with
the drinking water.. WE WERE NOT fishing the reservoir
but a stream that is actually a tributary of the
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by GMAN on 2002 PM:
Hey Dustin,
I think in a situation like this its best to just be honest and tell whoever
exactly what you said here on the board. Jerking people around by making stuff
up usually rings hollow on people that have half a brain. Just
my 2 cents. P.S. if you do have to do time. Can I have your tackle box?. Thanks...
Posted
by Gr8tSacandaga on 2002 PM:
Lol Gary... Sure if I have to do time
you can have all my fishing tackle and gear... but when I get out of jail you
have to return it all! 
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by Bass Rat on 2002 PM:
Dustin, You may have taken up a few new hobbies by then.
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by Woody on 2002 PM:
You are not going to
get in trouble...Dustin
The cop was just going
about his routine and scaring you away from going back...They ALWAYS take names
and numbers in case there is a problem in that location in the future.
My point was Dustin...I don't care if it was a Stream,
You knew you were on United Water Property.
I know they are enforcing the ban on fishing because all the local papers and
press have covered this.....It was clearly stated in the letter that all Tagholders received. I live right down the road from the
main office and pass by the water every day...I would love to wet a line as
well...
The theory is that the property can be policed by local Police and the water
company.
The company is in fear of contamination....After Sept 11th our lives were
changed forever.....
I wouldn't sweat it....but I would stay off of United Water Property.
I know as a fact...if you thought he wasn't nice this time....I wouldn't want
to be "caught" by him again.
Woody
Posted
by Gr8tSacandaga on 2002 PM:
Woody, I guess I realize
that they said not to fish it but I didn't realize they were actually enforcing
it as many a cops have driven by before when we were getting our gear together.. I won't go back there till they open it back up.........
but since your in the area, Woody.. Do you know of any
other ponds or streams that I CAN FISH LEGALLY real close by?
Thanks
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by Woody on 2002 PM:
As a matter of fact
The pond in
The pond in Montvale(past the bowling alley 1rst left.)
Those two are CLOSE and have bass and panfish.
If Georgio drives you can rent a boat at several
places 40 minutes from us in NJ.
Contact my Email if you want rowboat rental info....Tends to be costly.
Good Luck
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Posted
by Gr8tSacandaga on 2002 PM:
Cool Thanks.. Giorgio does drive.. and i HOPEFULLY will pass my test
and get my license this tuesday.. day
after tomorrow.. I'll try both places in Montvale and Haworth..
Thanks
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by bear55 on 2002 PM:
Good day turned
bad!!!!
Hey Dustin,
Saw pictures of your SUV on your homepage. If you go to the bighouse
for this caper, can I have the SUV till you get out??? I'll put the brush
guards and fog lamps on it while your gone!!!!
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by Gr8tSacandaga on 2002 PM:
HAHAHAHA!!!!!! Fine Bear.. but the foglights
better be top of the line!!!
Do you like it bear? Its a sweet truck!
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by Scott E. on 2002 PM:
Dustin,
Sorry to hear you got chased off of your honey hole there but you know Woody is
right.
It does remind me though of a few places I fished that I was chased off of, a
small pond in
If you do get into any trouble I will write letters for you to the judge and to
the water company on your behalf, as I am sure many others here would also.
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by Scott E. on 2002 PM:
Have
you seen this in the local Post office
Just teasing
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Posted
by Dean on 2002 PM:
Nice job Scott! Come on
Dustin stay out of trouble will you.
Posted
by dodgeguy on 2002 AM:
i just hope they don't put you in a cell with bubba and he
thinks your name is ben 
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by earthworm77 on 2002 PM:
Dustin, I'm sending you a
case of bottled shower soap so you never have to bend down to pick up a dropped
bar in the showers at
It is just precious when somebody blames me for catching them when they break
the law....I love it!!!! I deal mostly with narcotics enforcement and I love it
when I am wrong for arresting the crack dealer.....love it!!!
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by theole34 on 2002 PM:
it's a learning experience. hopefully this is the easiest way you get your lesson on
law. if you knew the area was off limits you should
have stayed away, OR go in and be willing to face the music. belv it or not... even ignorance
is no excuse. if you didn't know but the area was shut
down by state or city ordinances you could still be fined/cited.
just look at it as a learning experience.
your intentions were probably not bad, but execution
was horrible. we can't have our young nybassr's getting locked up!!!
stay well.
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by bobn on 2002 PM:
i know i
am probably going to get drawn a quartered for saying this but, here goes--i think the whole incident here is a judgement
call by the officer-i'm not saying what the kids did
was right(according to the law) but i think the cop
involved could have made a more humanitarian judgement
call--what do we have here?, a couple of teenage kids out for a day of
fishing--terrorists i think not--give them a tongue
lashing and a verbal kick in the ass take names etc threaten them and send them
on their way-after that, i am sure a prudent person
would not attempt to go there again--i know these are
dangerous times, rules are rules and there are no exceptions--i don't know all the details and neither does anyone else
except the persons involved--is it just possible that the officer had the
latitude to judge the situation and make his own call?-----how many traffic
infractions have been forgiven by the police------no, i
am not a liberal, nor do i endorse the aclu-- bobn
Posted
by theole34 on 2002 PM:
quote:
bobn
-- give them a tongue lashing and a verbal kick in the ass take names etc
threaten them and send them on their way-after that, i
am sure a prudent person would not attempt to go there again
that's what he did bobn. ?? he didn't give them a ticket.. took
names and told them he would contact the owner. i belv the threat was just
that.
his actions seem to have worked.
quote:
dustin -- Couldn't the cop have been doing something more
to protect the public like finding people doing drugs or something!!! We were
just fishing for GOD SAKES!!!!!
shame on you my little buddy. be
sensible about it. on sunday i
may be assigned to a traffic post, monday a robbery
arrest, tuesday police plaza security, wednesday on a street narcotics team operation, friday on desk duty, saturday wtiting tickets to people that can't act properly, and sunday --- you're right i just
worked 7 days with no days off... and i have to do it
again.... see?
when someone says that to me on the street.. "there are people out there doing _______ and you're writing
me a ticket?" i say "Yes Sir. would you like to provide information on any crimes you may
have knowledge of? i will
address them immediately."
anyone that has dealt with me on street level know i am very professional, and very fair. i display respect for all. i give more breaks than anyone, but expect people to
realize they made a mistake.
dustin -- take a deep
breath, and move on. a mistake was made.. intentional or by accident, and you were reprimanded. i belv dustin.. you would say "i made a mistake, and got my a## chewed out." am i right?
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by Crane14 on 2002 PM:
Obviously the events of
9/11 have led to a heightened awareness by law enforcement officers near
drinking water supplys. Even two seemingly innocent
kids out for a days fishing now should require a quick check out of names and addresses.
I know it seems overboard but this officer is doing his job the right way to
protect the community. Something has allready
happened that none of us thought was possible. I know at the resevoir in
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by Jameson on 2002 AM:
No offense meant to the
police who roam this board, but it is not so easy for all of us civilians. We
can't fish anywhere we want and flash our badges/egos around. I think you are
nice people, and probably great fisherman, but the rules aren't the same for
everyone. Ask the two city cops who told me I could pay the parking ticket
"Right here kid, we'll take care of it right here for ya."
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Posted
by Rob J in WNY on 2002 AM:
quote:
Originally
posted by Jameson
No offense meant to the police who roam this board, but it is not so easy
for all of us civilians. We can't fish anywhere we want and flash our
badges/egos around. I think you are nice people, and probably great fisherman,
but the rules aren't the same for everyone. Ask the two city cops who told me I
could pay the parking ticket "Right here kid, we'll take care of it right
here for ya."
JC
Jameson,
You do realize that your spin cannot be justified, right?
So there is a problem of "good cop, bad cop." Yeah, that much is
true, but really, generalizing all law enforcement officers (which IS what you
did in your post) to that level is neither related to this officer's actions at
all, nor does even relate to Dustin's experience. Dustin and Giorgio did not
like getting in trouble, but they swear that they did not notice any signed
posted or fence up to prevent anyone from access. If there
had been either, then they would not have proceeded. I've known Dustin
for some 3 years now and he is just that type of person - one who would not
risk trouble. He and I chat almost daily, and not always about fishing. He is
one of most honest and genuine young people I know.
I know you are not bashing Dustin by your post, Jameson, but let me say this. I
am glad he has a true and heartfelt passion for fishing like he does. At 17, he
could be into drinking, drug experimentation/addiction or any number of other
forms of corruption tempting to a young, inexperienced youth.
What's done is done. Just remember that these experiences, whenever they
happen, also serve to teach people a lesson, whether the officer, who was
faithfully doing his job, intended for that or not. The officer did not haul
them away, because they were cooperative and even apologized, promising not to
fish there anymore. Taking names and contact information serves more purpose
than 'booking' them - they could wind up being key witnesses if they are
required to be questioned for observing anything or anyone present along the
waterway in question that day. The authorities or court system may call upon
them - not for the record of tresspass, but because
their name and location is documented in the police database. Now think about
that, especially in light of the times.
I'm not sensationalizing what they have done. In the eyes of the law, they
committed a crime, albeit not intentionally and not under questionable
circumstances (true, they were merely fishing). The officer was simply doing
his job, and never offered for Dustin and Giorgio to "take care of it
right there."
And just so you know, I do get what you are saying about this, because reality
dictates that there is a difference between what happens in the real world with
law enforcement and the good, core intention of the law. If that officer had
seen his friends kids there fishing instead, perhaps he would not have turned
them in at all. The problem for us, as you suggest, 'poor civilians' begins
when we twist the good intention of the existing laws to suit our own
intentions. When we do that, even unintentionally, we are breaking the law,
plain and simple.
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by theole34 on 2002 AM:
quote:
flash
our badges/egos around.
those days are over my friend. long
over. how would you like to be under the microscope we
are these days.
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by earthworm77 on 2002 AM:
Like I said a million
times before, there are always a few guys in every profession that ruin the
good name of others. One guy gets out of control with a plunger and suddenly
all of the guys are brutal. One guy does something fugazy
and now all of us are corrupt. Every job does have its perks though. Jameson,
it is what you make of it. I'm a cop 8hrs and 35min a day...more if I'm on OT
but once I hit the
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by ADKBass on 2002 AM:
All I will say about this
is that the officer was correct in his action.
No ticket
He knew- you knew- you were not to be there.
Warning only.
Sent on your way with, hopefully, an education.
NOT to mention, the officer needed your contact information in case something
came up in the future -- ie: chemical contamination
or other crime committed there. Remember, Dustin, you knew you were just fishin' -- but he didn't.
Think about it from his perspective. He had to make sure you knew what was
right/wrong AND he had to fulfill his committment to
public safety by ensuring the site was ok.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he was potentially thinking on a higher
level of security, but think about it -- since 9/11 the people in uniform are
asked to serve an even higher purpose.
I do highly support law enforcement and do support highly penalizing law
enforcement that is performed by the few bad apples.
Look at it this way -- the officer gave you a simple education, that's all, and
he did his job.
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by Bass Rat on 2002 PM:
I for one don't know how
law enforcement officers do it. I wouldn't have that job for any amount of
money. I am grateful for their service everyday. I am not one to from a
situation, but to go through what they deal with daily forget about it.
If I am speeding then ticket my a$$. If I am breaking
the law then get me. These guys are not judge and jury, they are the enforcers of laws made by people we
elected.
Hat's off to Guys & girls.
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by Gr8tSacandaga on 2002 PM:
Robbie and Craig, just
for the record, when I said "Couldn't the cop have been doing something
more to protect the public like finding people doing drugs or something!!! We
were just fishing for GOD SAKES!!!!!" I was being sarcastic.. I know there are always times that you really do have
nothing better to do then annoy fishing teenagers!(just so you don't think I'm
badmouthing cops)
And also, hat's off to Robbie and Craig and the rest of the NYPD and the rest
of the police all over the world.. they put there life
in dangerous places everyday of there lives...
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by EFederlein on 2002 PM:
It is always the cops
fault..........
Never the fault of the person breaking the law..........
Give me a break
You got caught now you have to deal with it !
Posted
by Jameson on 2002 PM:
I'm tired of being judged
by people who would run the other way when faced with the things I must run
into!!!
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EW77, I'll stop stereotyping police officers when you stop sterotyping
everyone whom is not. I am coming across as a bad guy here, but this is not
what I intended to happen.
I hold law enforcement in the utmost respect. However, experiences in my past
have led me to judge each one independently, not as a whole. Meaning I have met
bad police officers, and foul mouthed ones to boot. There are good cops and
they outnumber the bad ones, but it is NOT ONLY ONE BAD ONE FELLAS. They are
the ones who risk their lives , AND THEY SIGNED UP TO
DO IT. Whether for money or moral reasons, you signed your life to the
government 8+ hours a shift 3on2off whatever you men have worked out, and I
respect you for that. Yet you shouldn't think that every citizen will run when
faced with the same dangers you are, and I NEVER implied that all police
officers were bad apples.
Nobody can quote me on that, and I have been misquoted so many times here it is
ridiculous. What I do not understand is how this is possible when all the
material is easily referenced by a few clicks. I hope the police officers here
do not think I am bashing them in any way.
JC
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Posted
by Woody on 2002 PM:
Alrightyyyyyyy
How about those Mets????/
I think that we can move on to bigger and better horizons.
I think Dustin realizes that he made a mistake.
I think he may know come to the conclusion that the
I think EVERYONE holds the law and those who protect it in the HIGHEST regard.
I also think that if you were to walk in a
I think Earthy,Robo and Jay
have seen enough in the past 6 months then anyone of us could stand to take in a
LIFETIME.
Is everyone perfect?...I think not....
Let's wave this thread GOODBYE and wish Dustin a HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!
Woody
Posted
by bobn on 2002 PM:
we all have our opinions, we voiced
them and i agree with woody----adios to this
thread!!!!-bobn
Posted
by Northbass on 2002 PM:
Woody I love you man!!!!!
Rob
Posted
by Gregg on 2002 PM:
quote:
Woody
I love you man!!!!! Rob
yea but you still can't have his Bud lite.
Woody right time to move on and get some FISHING IN
First please correct me if I'm wrong but I think we have to add EFederlein to our list of honored men in blue that grace
this site.
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by Northbass on 2002 PM:
Why didn't Giorgio get a
ticket for that hat?LOL!
Posted
by JOHN G on 2002 PM:
to which I say Amen and I
will gracefully close this thread...however, as usual not before I get in my
last word: I, like Jameson, have witnessed police corruption first hand in my
life, and it is not a pretty thing to see.....also, My brother-in-law is a
retired captain from NYC, and he has told me a few whopper stories. Now, there
is nothing worse than when you see an officer of the law break the law, it is
more than a little upsetting...I agree with our NyBass
policemen, it is by far the minority, however, the NYC police force is a friggin ARMY by standards to most cities anywhere in the
world, quite a few guys we are talking about, hence, although the percentage of
corruption may not be so high, the number of people is by virtue of the fact
that there are simply a large base from which to draw a percentage. My own
Brother in law, by the way, was brought up on Brutality charges twice and
believe me, after he explained what had happened, he deserved it, although he
is about the straightest arrow that ever walked the earth....there is something
about that job that is not conducive to normal behavior, and you guys that work
it know what I mean.....the bad asses are also way in the minority, but it is
certainly disconcerting when you come across them, and I have, and I am beyond
polite when dealing with law officials and do not provoke anything. Dustin has
learned his lesson, the guys representing the law here are OK guys and Jameson
made some fair points.....on to fishing again!!!!! JOHN G
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