Posted
by jdp on 2002 PM:
Can't get
enough..........
Say a guy gets real bad
"shack nasties" every year when he puts his
boat down for the season. Say this gut can't put his boat in a heated garage
'cause he's doing construction and building material is everywhere. Anyone have
a suggestion on how NOT to have to fog the motor for the winter so this guy can
get out and wet a line every once in a while? JDP
Posted
by JOHN G on 2002 AM:
JDP, that is a good
question: last winter, when it was so mild, there were parts of Candalwood lake that never froze
completely and I know people who were launching from Squantz
in JAN and catching deep smallies on blades......they never winterized....the
problem I believe is water that stays in the hold or engine and freezes....
Hope someone comes on and explains more of this...... JOHN G
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Posted
by JPBass on 2002 AM:
Fogging is to stop the
condensation that builds on the cylinder walls and internal parts when left
idle for prolonged periods and to avoid oxidation.
Wanna avoid fogging? Use the boat more often.
Just be sure
and drain the lower unit completly.
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Posted
by Bass Rat on 2002 AM:
jdp, Fogging shouldn't prevent you from using the boat when
you want to. You will just have to fog it again when you put her away.
Foggong consists of spraying fogging oil ( I preffer Marvels Mystery Oil)
into the carb or carbs of
the running engine untill it stalls. Then remove the
plugs and spray the oil into each cylinder. Turn the motor by hand add some
more to the Cylinders and replace plugs.
The only downfall I see to multiple foggings is you
will foul up some plugs.
More important that you drain that lower unit, bilge, livewells and such. Also take into consideration
that the livewell and bige
pumps will still be holding water after you drain them. Try using some evioromentally safe anti freeze. And rinse the livewell thouroghly before
reusing.
It is also a good idea to remove the batteries. Throw them on a trickle charge
and check water level now & then.
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Posted
by CUS on 2002 AM:
Is it important to remove
the plugs each and everytime, if you are not planning
on letting the boat sit idle for more than 30 days, (either by taking it out or
firing it up on a water hookup)?
The reason I ask is a gentleman in our club cross threaded a spark plug, which
turned into a very big dollar repair.
I know most people are real careful when putting their plugs back in, just
seems like the more you take them out, the more the possiblity
exists you can screw them in wrong.
If you are going to leave your boat down for the winter months, then I would
recommend taking the plugs out (and possibly changing them at the same time),
filling with oil, and putting back in..... BUT I AM NOT A MECHANIC... so those
in the know should do the talking.
Or to avoid this problem all together, move south for the winter 
cus
Posted
by Bass Rat on 2002 PM:
Cus, Good post. But I disagree with putting new
plugs in after you fog. The reason is that you will foul the new plus when you
start her up in the spring and burn out the fogging oil. Also if you leave the
plugs out, there is a chance condinsation gets in the
cylinders.
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Posted
by CUS on 2002 PM:
Very good point about the
fogging oil possibly fouling the new plugs... I usually change my plugs during
the middle of the year (but thought about changing them during the
winterization process). Won't change them during the winterization
process.
Definitely would not suggest leaving the plugs out though... that would be
trouble! Just like I wouldn't suggest leaving a lower unit
drained through the winter.
Just didn't want to see JDP pulling his plugs everytime
unless it was truly necessary to try and avoid cross threading one of them.
If he's going to run the motor every month, does he need to pull the plugs, or
can he just stabilize the fuel and run some fogging oil through it?
Posted
by Bass Rat on 2002 PM:
Cus, Not
pulling the plugs can be a crap shoot. Fogging the cylinders good
will prevent condensation & possible pitting of the pistons and cylinder
walls. Stabilizer is always a good idea. I took a marine outdrive
course and the instructor stated that gas has a shelf life of less than 1 month
after you get it at the pump.
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Posted
by Paul Mattie on 2002 PM:
Don't ever leave the
spark plugs out. If you are willing to go out and crank it up every so often I
don't think you'd have a problem skipping the fog.
Trimming up and down 2 or 3 times after use or running on the muffs will get
most of thge water out. Do this at the ramp after
fishing. Leave motor vertical so the lower unit drains completly
at home.
Use RV anti-frezze (it's completely non-toxic to
humans and fish) in your live well plumbing. I run it through all the lines and
pumps including the bilge pumps till the pink stuff comes out the overboard
drains. Tilt boat so everything drains towards the back so no ice puddles form
in the bilge. There should be some anti-frezze in
there if you treated the bilge pumps.
Posted
by Bass Rat on 2002 PM:
Also a
good idea to use an anti cease lubricant on the SP threads. ANother tip to avoid cross threading is to tihten by hand & then use a
torque wrench to finish it off. If a torque wrench is not prcticle
then no more then a quarter turn of the wrench. I think in general people feel
tighter is better. Not good.
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Posted
by ttony_5 on 2002 PM:
how often do you think a boat should
be used to avoid having to fog the motor?
I intend on fishing the
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Posted
by Paul at home on 2002 PM:
It's a complete guess on
anybodies part. I'd say if you run the motor for 15min twice a month you'd be
ok.
Posted
by dodgeguy on 2002 PM:
you have to be a dork to cross thread
a plug!!!put it in the
socket with an extension and put it in the hole.turn
it counterclockwise until you feel the threads go click.you
now have it started.turn clockwise by hand and it
should go right in!!!
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Posted
by Bass Rat on 2002 AM:
quote:
Originally
posted by dodgeguy
you have to be a dork to cross thread a plug!!!put it in the socket with
an extension and put it in the hole.turn it
counterclockwise until you feel the threads go click.you
now have it started.turn clockwise by hand and it
should go right in!!!
LOL
Hey Dodge, Some of us mere mortals are not Mater Mechanics.
By the way I never cross threaded a plug.
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Posted
by CUS on 2002 AM:
Nor have I... but the guy
who did is a reader/contributor of this forum and is in no way a dork.
Must be nice to have never made a mistake.
Posted
by Bass Rat on 2002 AM:
Cus, I wouldn't take it so personal.
You have to admitt putting a SP in the hole is a
pretty simple mechanical task. And anybody who may of
cross threaded the plug should be able to admitt to
himself that it's kind of dorky. And although it
probably turned out costly you gotta be able to laugh
at yourself when you do something stupid or life gets too serious. Dodge is a good guy and I'm sure he didn't intend to insult your freind, nor would I.
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Posted
by CUS on 2002 PM:
Rat,
Fine...
But in my mind there is a huge difference between somebody doing something dorky and calling someone a dork cause in email there is no
way to know he is kidding (unless he lets you know he is kidding or you know
the person).
I don't know him, so all it appeared to me was him insulting someone he doesn't
know and I consider a friend.
If you say he's kidding than you must know him. So I'll buy it.
And yes, my friend admits he screwed up and in fact he won't even winterize his
own boat anymore. Guess that is what happens when you get bitten once.
Posted
by Bass Rat on 2002 PM:
Cus, I see your point. And just for
the record, I've pulled so many bone head moves in my life that I can write a
book.
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Posted
by CUS on 2002 PM:
second that one!
Posted
by Scully on 2002 AM:
Im sorry.....
Guys at my
age.....nothing goes RIGHT IN.....lol
Scul
Posted
by donw40 on 2002 AM:
scully
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Guys at my age.....nothing goes RIGHT IN.....lol
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LOL
i don't dare take it any farther....
dw
Posted
by dodgeguy on 2002 PM:
o.k.,i'm sorry!!i was'nt trying to hurt anyone's feelings!!!just trying to help with a method of starting threads
that is foolproof.i have'nt
crossthreaded a plug,but i have done worse.bassrat,thanks
for defending my sense of humor!!
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Posted
by Rob J in WNY on 2002 PM:
I know that Dodge was
just bein' funny in his own, classical NYBass way. 
CUS, I do believe I know the gentleman whom you are referring to who crossthreaded the plug. When he told me about the mishap,
he said that once he realized it was crossthreaded he
became just sick to his stomach. Especially because it was a
brand new Mercury outboard.
I'd feel the same way.
Fortunately, everything worked out for him.
Tight Lines...
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