Posted
by PichinDocks on 2002 AM:
The
Early Season Debate.......
So here we go, spring is almost here, all the tackle is ready all the new
baits, rods, reels, boat is all ready and it's time for the best fishing of the
year, or is it???? How the DEC can tell us "sorry guys as a paying,
licensed, fisherman, you cannot fish until the 1st saturday
in may for some and 3rd SATURDAY IN JUNE for
others".... Give me a break..... It's time to end this ridiculous rule/law
and get fishing... I have hope someday to fish more competitivley
than i am right now, and how can i
get any better when the friggin bass season is 3
months long??? I guess I will just have to use 1 inch tubes (crappie fishing)
so that when a Largemouth/Smallmouth swallows it easier and gets the bait
deeper than they would a spinnerbait, or crankbait, or any other bass bait, and it gets injured or
dies... This rule makes no sense and needs to be stopped.....
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Posted
by Charlie on 2002 AM:
There are other places to
fish during the "closed season". The reason the DEC and other
governmental agencies have seen fit to close waters is that they know of the
effect of fishing during a spawning period and that when numbers of fish drop,
the first people to complain are the people who fish "out of season".
I understand your frustration, we are ALL feeling it, but the law is the law
and until they change it, we HAVE to abide by it!
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Posted
by Sean Heitman on 2002 AM:
IN the sence that we are chompin at the
bit to get on the water and fish like a junky looking for a fix
.
In the conservation minded world of NYS it makes plenty of sence.
I know that up here in the north country there are
plenty of people who will, and do, rip bass off beds AND would rather return a
fresh filet to hot grease than revive it in her home water. Not only is that
one fish less in the water, thats
THOUSANDS of a new year class unprotected and pillaged by panfish,
lizards, and other bass.
For the last few years here in the Pulaski area we have been battleing a similar battle with Steelhead naturaly spawning in small creeks that feed the
Why??? because these fish, originally from a hatchery,
are spawning naturally, or trying to, and being literally ripped from the
water, snagged illegally, and never returned bck to
the water.
The law may make me crazy!! But I dont
dissagree with it.
There is a catch and release season on some of the
Posted
by PichinDocks on 2002 AM:
Yeah the earliest is
MAY.... The last 2 years I have been fishing in NY, The first tournaments of
the year were won fishing for bedding fish... If the fish aren't off their nest
anyway, what's the point? Why don't we push it even further down maybe 3rd saturday in July? better yet lets just close bass fishing until August just to
be sure... Living in NC for 3 years where there is no closed season, the
fishing was awesome, because the bass fisherman respect
the heck out of the fish and EVERYBODY practices catch and release... How can
your point of "spawning period" be valid when there are MANY other staes with no closed season , and
the fisheries are thriving????????
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Posted
by OnceBitten on 2002 AM:
Pitchin,
I think all of the states you are referring to are down south were the growth
season for these fish is ALOT longer, if not all year. I'm no expert, but I'd
guess that has alot to do with the fact that their
fisheries thrive in spite of no closed season.
Tight lines,
Fred
Posted
by PichinDocks on 2002 AM:
No, There are areas up
north that don''t have
closed seasons. The southern impoundments "growth season" is
basically the same, they still bed , but a little earlier, and feed VERY agressivley in the spring and fall... and not so much in
the winter, just because the water is open and you CAN fish, the fishing isnt so good in december-march,
just like catching em through the ice up here...
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Posted
by Frank J on 2002 AM:
quote:
Originally
posted by OnceBitten
Pitchin,
I think all of the states you are referring to are down south were the growth
season for these fish is ALOT longer, if not all year. I'm no expert, but I'd
guess that has alot to do with the fact that their
fisheries thrive in spite of no closed season.
Tight lines,
Fred
Perfect point, could have not said it better.
Pickeral season opens 1st Sat in MAY. Guess what?
What lures you use to target picks? Same as Bass. This
is the biggest inconsistency in the law. Sad thing is people will fish for Bass
and say there targeting picks.
Law:
Bass season opens on the *1st Saturday in June through November 30th for Long
Island, Except Fort Pond, Ronkonkoma and Hempstead Lake which open on the 3rd
Saturday in June.
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Posted
by ttony_5 on 2002 AM:
I hate to sound like Dr.
Ruth but SIZE DOESN'T MATTER!!!! I think the point here is that other states
with no closed season still have thriving NUMBERS of fish. First off, most
guys, including myself, aren't good enough to bag big females off the bed and
usually catch smaller males who are guarding. Returning these fish to the water
gets them quickly back to their jobs. And even if we
are good enought to get the big girls, it still seems
to have had little if any effect on the open season states.
If you're going to fry them, then who the hell cares if it's in season or out
of season, a dea fish is a dead fish.
I think the NY fishing season, although I understand why it exists, is a joke amd I hope it eventually goes away...sooner rather than
later.
Hey, I'm still pretty new to all this but I do have good common sense.
For whatever it's worth.
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Posted
by PichinDocks on 2002 AM:
Thanks Tony, finally
someone on my side... Lets just say catch and release
only until 3rd saturday in june,
that i could live with. The ice will be gone from the
lakes by sunday. You bet
I'll be out there as soon as the weather allows me, catching and releasing...
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Posted
by ttony_5 on 2002 AM:
I have a better idea, how
about catch and release ALWAYS. I mean, how hungry are some
of these guys. You want fish, go out and buy some, geez.
Love you all. Let's all shut up and go fishing.
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Posted
by OnceBitten on 2002 AM:
Pitchin,
I disagree that the growth season is basically the same up north as it is down
south. However I'm not totally sure this is a factor either way.
While TTony may be on your side, I'm still on the fench on this issue. Lots of states down south have
different open seasons and the fish thrive. Does our cooler climate demand
different regulations to protect them? I'm not sure. I think we've got some
great fishing up here, maybe it's because of how the
DEC regulates the fishing pressure. Then again, maybe the fishing would be
better if the regulations were lifted.
Tough questions. I don't think there are any easy
answers. There are just too many variables.
My 2 cents.
Fred
Posted
by OnceBitten on 2002 AM:
Hey TTony,
Speaking of buying fish,
I was at Wegmans and saw walleye fillets for sale.
ELEVEN dollars a pound! It was more expensive then lobster. Alot
more!
Geez, now I'll really have trouble throwing the
walleye's back in...
Posted
by ttony_5 on 2002 AM:
OK, everyone pitch in...fish fry at Fred's house. Wow, try saying that 10 times
fast.
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Posted
by PichinDocks on 2002 AM:
OnceBitten,
Of course there are no easy answers...lol! that just would be
fishing!!!! I could live with a catch and release until the 3rd saturday, but not "no
fish" winters are long enough here Nov-April, thats
5 MONTHS of no fishing. The bass can be protected by the ice, but should be
about it.. I am just SO ready to go fishing, it's
killing me....
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Posted
by Sean Heitman on 2002 AM:
quote:
Originally posted by ttony_5
If you're going to fry them, then who the hell cares if it's in season or out
of season, a dea fish is a dead fish.
A dead fish cannot protect its fry.
Dont get me wrong, I d love to see an earlier seson open. A strictly catch and release
season year round isnt practicle.
Especially from an enforcement pint of view.
Not everyone is as ethical as we are. Nor is everyone as ethical as they claim
to be.
Where I live, there are a bunch of people who are subsistance
hunters/fishermen. Some observe posted seasons and laws and others dont.
Posted
by Sean Heitman on 2002 AM:
Walleye
more expensive than Lobster????
Whoa boy.
Posted
by earthworm77 on 2002 AM:
Todd, this upcoming
season, there was a proposed catch and release season for LI that would have
gone from Dec1 thru that 1st Sat in June. I for one
was all for it but DEC yanked it at the last minute. I honestly feel that guys
are going to fish anyway no matter of the rules. I am a supporter of C&R
fishing for bass. I do not support bed fishing. I have also done extensive
fishing in Florida and other states that do not have closed seasons and I can
tell you this......first, the growth season in say Florida or Georgia is 10 to
12 months, obviously depending on weather. In NY it is maybe 4 or 5 months.
That is the reason fish get bigger down South. You have 5 and 6 yr old largemouths weighing 8 to 10lb there. A 5 or 6 yr old here
is 3 lbs tops! Bass up North live longer because they expend less energy
throughout there lives. Southern bass have the capability to spawn at different
periods of the year...not just in Jan or Feb...which
is prime spawn time. I've seen bass on beds in Sept and Oct. in
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by Charlie on 2002 AM:
You
cannot compair North v South!
Gentlemen,
Craig (as usual!) brings up an excellent point and something that you may have
forgotten and that is that "down south" the bass have the opportunity
to spawn twice or three times during a season because the weather is perfect to
create that scenario.
If the weather here in the North keep the warming
trend we have seen over the last few years, who knows, maybe our bass will
spawn twice a year, then you have another arguement
in favour of year round fishing.
For now, give them a break......
We all like to go on vacation, get some relaxation, maybe get laid..... thats all these fish want to do!
Tight Lines!
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Posted
by PichinDocks on 2002 AM:
Thats why this should be the way it is....
Catch and release... November 30th- 3rd saturday
in June
Open Season.... 3rd saturday in June - November 30th
Can anyone tell me whats wrong with this?
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Posted
by OnceBitten on 2002 AM:
Interesting
post EW. Sounds about right.
TTony, a fish fry at Fred's on February 5th sounds
fun! I could fit forty to fifty-five fishermen fine.
Posted
by PichinDocks on 2002 AM:
Earthworm...
I understand the growing of fish in different regions. What I do not understand
is why it is catch & release from the 2nd saturday in may to the 3rd saturday
in june, but you can't fish from march 15th to 2nd saturday in may, why? does not
make ANY sense at all. we all know the fish bed....
mid may - late june!
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Posted
by PichinDocks on 2002 AM:
Charlie, Fish do not
spawn 3 times a year in
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Posted
by ttony_5 on 2002 AM:
good point, sean.
I hate when you're right. I never really likied
you all that much anyway.
All kidding aside. People who
kill fish, keep fry from either being born or protected. Either
way, a losing proposition in my mind. That statement was more for
promoting catch and release more than open seasons.
Let me know when you offer me a free weekend up at your place, will ya?
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Posted
by earthworm77 on 2002 AM:
Todd, bass may not spawn
3X in
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by ttony_5 on 2002 AM:
OK, my shot at a final
word on this.
Bad fishermen would likely abuse an open season so good C&R fishermen
suffer to protect the population.
How was that guys?
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Posted
by Rob J in WNY on 2002 PM:
If I can chime in, the NY
General Angling Regs are entrenched in time. Changing
them isn't going to come swiftly. There are always people lobbying for both
sides of the issue, and so it spins on and on. It's just complicated to change
the laws.
I get why they have a closed season. The main purpose was to protect the spring
spawn. Don't know why they close it after November 30th in most places, though.
Conesus produced nice Smallies all the way into the end of December.
It seems, though, that change is on the horizon. More and more individual
waters are adopting 'early season' and 'extended season' times.
In the end, we are all jonesin' for some serious
fishing. I can't deny that myself, and when I go out for Perch & Pike soon,
I'll be using baits that bass will be willing to hit. I'm not going to argue
with a bass willing to bite my lure anytime of the year, even though I do try
to avoid them where I fish. Like the rest, they get released.
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Posted
by Bulletweight on 2002 PM:
Bass spawn is triggered
by seasonal changes with the overriding factor being water temperature. This
happens weeks sooner in small dark ponds than it does
in deep clear water lakes. Bass don't give a hoot what the calendar says; they
spawn when their instincts tell them to. Cold years coupled with fluctuating
water levels commonly postpone the spawn past opening day. I have legally
caught and released bass on beds and learned a lot about bass behavior doing
it. I don't want to debate the ethics of this, I'm
just stating a fact. I've also seen people take bass from beds by the
pillowcase full and I was powerless to stop them. My point is that if the law
is intended to protect bedded bass then it is flawed. The closure of sections
of tributaries to protect walleye seems to be a better approach. I'm in favor
of expanded C&R on more lakes, or better yet just in sections of lakes that
could protect spawning areas while leaving other areas open to fishing.
Champlain is open second Saturday in April on the
Posted
by Charlie on 2002 PM:
I use the term
"south" to encompass 
I hate to "drop names" but I just had a conversation with the
"Bass Professor" Doug Hannon who tells me that bass (given the right
environment) will spawn as OFTEN as they can! Its
called survival of the species.
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Posted
by PichinDocks on 2002 PM:
Bulletweight, Champlian
is a perfect example, on one side you OK in april, but i NY 3rd saturday in June, make sense? NO!
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Posted
by bink on 2002 PM:
Spawn as often as they
can given the time of year. What i
mean is a single Bass might roam around and spread his seed on as many nests as
he can but The BP cant mean that fish spawn up here 12
months out of the year. I know the conditions are not good for spawn here for
that long,Summer too hot
winter to cold. As for EW seeing all the Fish spawning at any given time I find
that hard to believe unless this lake was the size of a bath tub,we have all read fish do not
spawn as one big wave but the big first and so on. Ihave
been on lake Winnipesaukee
and seen hundreds of beds with bass doing thier thing
and at least that many guys trying to catch them and it remains a great place
to fish. that said i choose
not to fish them(well maybe one or two).
Posted
by HugeFish4 on 2002 PM:
As far as the length of
the spawning season "up North" and the number of bass on beds at the
same time in
I think more harm is done post spawn by the largemouths
themselves, as I have regularly seen them chowing
down on their own fry.
Just make it catch-n-release, end of story!
IMHO of course.
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Posted
by PichinDocks on 2002 PM:
what is the bass season in
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Posted
by TONY ON ICE on 2002 PM:
BASS SEASONS
The points to remember,
some of which have already been discussed are the longer growing seasons in the
southern states, the managment of the bass
populations in the South and the lack of emphasis on other species that are
also a part of the fishery in the Southern states.
While you want to see a catch and release season here in NY as do many others,
I don't believe it'll happen anytme soon and for
obvious reasons.
First, the Souther States that rely on bass fishing
as a tourist attraction and for tournaments spend millions of dollars on
restocking programs along with habitat restoration or addition. Also, there's alway research that is geared toward finding and
reproducing a stronger more resiliant strain of
largemouth bass to introduce into these waters or to bring in bass from
Here in NY, there is no restocking programs for
largemouth or smallmouth and there is a short growning
season so the DEC's research crews are very careful to not let the bass get
disturbed while on their beds. Yet, while fishing the river systems in
These dirt bags are making the whole bass fishing community look like a bunch
of hoodlums around here and as stated in an earlier post, when confronted by
CO's in the area, they use that,"we were fishing
for Pike" excuse and the laws are full of loop holes that allow these guys
to continue to rape these fish.
Catch and release or not, they're still interfering with the spawning fish and
once they get riped from their beds, they seldom
return to their normal patterns for days "if" they survive the stress
of these guys whipping them into the boat like they're in a million dollar
tournament.
Here in N.Y we spend millions on the Salmon, steelhead and walleye programs.
Restocking, research Etc. Etc. Etc. and the seasons are longer for that reason.
They're being replaced as need be by the DEC and other organizations.
The bass in NY have survived on natural reproduction with little asistance from humans other than the seasons being managed
by the DEC and they've done a great job of it because the bass fishing in NY is
better than a lot of other states in the country.
Bass is king in the south but not here in NY and it's something we have to live
with.
The reason we have such good bass fishing here is because of the management of
the seasons and most fishermen abiding by the set seasons.
The fishing opportunities in N.Y. are so diverse that there's no reason not to
take advantage of the different species available until your bass seaon opens.
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Posted
by Bulletweight on 2002 PM:
What exactly were you
fishing for when you saw those decked out bassboats?
Was it Pike? I've taken some of the biggest bass in my life while fishing pike
tournaments in mid May. We were targeting pike and only pike, but still
everyone caught pre-spawn female bass. If live bait is used, most of them ended
up gut hooked. I stopped fishing pike tournaments years ago mainly for this
reason and will not fish them again.
Posted
by Scully on 2002 PM:
Gentelman
This question has been "bantered" about for
God only knows how long. I personally have been researching this subject since
the
The "meat" of this study centered around the
spawn and fishing during the spawn. The Study concluded that it saw no problem
with an "Open Season" in
The problem here is if you speak to three different biologists, you get three
different answers. Some of you have already mentioned that neighboring states
have all year seasons and are no worse for the ware. I spoke to a high ranking
official of the Connecticut DEP in the mid-90s and he claimed to be amazed at
the stance the
He also stated that
Another biologist I spoke with in Vermont claimed that a smallmouth mortality
study they did on Lake Champlain in the early 90s showed that there to be no
significant mortality during the spawn as compared to the first 10 weeks of the
season. The study also showed that smallmouth taken off a bed and relocated to
a different area prior to spawning, paired up with another mate and completed
the spawn in that area.
He said...they said...we said....a million answers to the same
questions.....but
Let me weigh-in (lol) with my two cents......I think
the law is out dated, but it is the law. So until the law changes..hahahahahha, I will abide by the law when and
wherever possible.
Scul
Posted
by ttony_5 on 2002 PM:
great post scully
Pat doesn't seem to shut up about you and I hope I get to fish with you soon.
Having said that...Candlewood is only 1/2 hour from my home.
Do you need a
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Posted
by PichinDocks on 2002 PM:
Scully,
Thank you for you response. it was a very good and
intelligent post. I wish more people felt the way we do about Bass Fishing in
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Posted
by bobn on 2002 PM:
you can get a license at the
Posted
by wnybassman on 2002 PM:
I for one would like to
see the western
Well, in my opinion, this is no test. As we all know, anglers from a 3 or 4
hours radius will be coming to these 1/2 dozen lakes to get a "fix".
So we have a funnelling effect going on, and in no
way can this determine anything about anything.
I say if the state wanted to give it a try, for research, they have to do it
across the entire board, or just leave it as it was.
I have never targeted bass out of season (with the exception of private ponds)
Sure, I go out pike/walleye/panfish fishing and catch
a few, but never targeted them. Why you ask, because the law tells me not to,
that's why. Do I think it's right or wrong? I don't know.
I wonder if anyone has done a study concerning the higher divorce rates among
bass fishermen down south, where the seasons are open year round??? It ain't coincidence.
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Posted
by rich on 2002 PM:
I've seen this debate for
four years now,and avoid it
like the plauge.I will say this is by far the most
civil exchange I've seen on the issue.A good omen.
Posted
by OnceBitten on 2002 PM:
That's right Rich.
This site maintains some
of the finest sportsman you'll ever run across. Agree or disagree, we're all polite
and respect different view points.
That's what makes this site what it is. The most infomative
and perhaps the most socially consious fishing site
on the web.
Posted
by Gregg on 2002 PM:
I'm not totally sold we
need a closed season. Every year I purchase a CT license so I can fish in the
spring ( and I said spring not spawn) And the fishing
in CT is fine! CT has the same climate and growing season as us and IMHO their
open season has not hurt the fishing. What I am sold on is that NY should at least
have a C&R season from Nov. 30 till May 30 because in no way does having a
closed season during this time protect the spawn. Then you can close it for 3
or 4 week to protect the spawn, then open season till Nov. 30. This is what I
would like to see and I think it's the way the DEC is leaning. That's why they
had a C&R season on some of the bigger upstate lakes this year. I think
they want to phase it in.
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Posted
by JOHN G on 2002 PM:
I ususally
have to close or delete these discussions as they often break down...yes, this
has been the most intelligent and restrained discussion on this issue I have
seen......please look to the top of this board to see my post concerning policy
about this issue...... JOHN G
Posted
by Bass Rat on 2002 PM:
Hey all you this is
the law guys.........
The law says I can catch
5 bass over 12" AND
EAT EVRYONE every
single day from 1st Sat in June to Nove 30.
IS that OK
I don't agree with my statement above, but do you see how silly this
"S" can get.
go fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted
by bobn on 2002 PM:
i don't understand why some waters have no closed season on
bass like bashakill--what makes that eco system so
different??--and also like gregg
stated about
Posted
by JOHN G on 2002 AM:
you go Nicky Rat!! one of my favorite
rants, allowing to keep that many fish, and like you pointed out
, that magnificent piece of bonehead thinking is THE LAW.....and so it
is a reminder , that there is NOTHING sacred about the law, the law is what we
want it to be, they can be amended, or deleted or whatever....change comes so
slowly though as others have pointed out on here, and tests our patience.....
JOHN G
Posted
by Scott E. on 2002 AM:
Bob,
The Bashakill is very much a different ecosystem, it
is not a lake and it is not a river, creek or stream, it is a marsh and it
probably has more bass per acre of water than any lake in NY.
Why is it open year round for bass fishing? Most of the year the marsh is a
very tough place to fish, during the winter months it is usually covered with
ice and the summer months covered in subaquatic and
emergent plant life, from ice out until the weeds start to come up in maybe
June is the best time to fish there. By mid May you can start to see the
channel that runs through the marsh and by mid summer the channel starts to
close in with weed growth.
Bass, pickerel, bowfin and carp, along with some huge panfish
can be caught there and as was stated on this board once before if the state
record is ever broken there is a high probability the Bashakill
will be the place the bass comes from.
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Posted
by Bass Rat on 2002 AM:
This is a great
discussion, very proffesionally handled by all
contributors so far.
It is a very tough subject.
You will however note that guys on both sides of the fence do not have an exact
clear deffinition of their opinion.
Some guys are for fishing anytime, some C & R anytime of year, some are for
closed season, some are for never targeting spawning bass.....except for small
ponds, some guys like to eat their catch.
So I think John put it best when he said be tolerant of others, don't boast
about your out of season catches, and don't go policing the guys on this board
with morality.
The people here are the best of the best of this sport, all might not be skill
wise, but that doesn't matter, all members here seem to care about our resourse and use proper basic common sence
regarding most fishing matters.
Do what is right in your own heart, But don't cry if
you catch the next state record 2 weeks before the season opens! Then what do
you do? Bring your 12# frozen bass to the DEC? LMAO
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Posted
by earthworm77 on 2002 AM:
Charlie, which side did
you fight on in the Civil War??? LOL Scull-awesome
explanation. Guys one thing to remember as
several good points were brought up. The meat fisherman or poachers don't play
by the rules anyway. They will be out there fishing regardless of the latest
DEC rules. The one facet of the closed season that I like is that there can be
no legal tournaments run during this time. That means fish won't be removed
from their beds for long periods of time and transported in a livewell all day. If you fish during the closed season, you
run the risk of getting caught. It is that simple. Just fish intelligently and
you will always make the safe, correct decision.
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Posted
by dodgeguy on 2002 AM:
i think they should go to an open
season except may 1st through the end of june which
should be catch and release.they could monitor
individual bodies of water from there.2 months of catch and release would
ensure the spawn was ok.most of us release our fish anyway.you cannot stop people from eating a certain amount
of fish.if you do,you add
fuel to the p.e.t.a. fire.hunters
kill everything they target,so how can you say we
can't eat a fish?if you chose not to,that's
fine.trying to stop others is just as bad as p.e.t.a..i do agree that a five fish limit is ridiculous.maybe they should give out tickets like they do
with deer.limit it to 5 a month or whatever # they come
up with.bodies of water like muscoot
are mobbed with small fish and eating a few would probably be beneficial to
that body of water.that is why they have to look at
them individually.
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Posted
by Scott E. on 2002 PM:
I
just have to agree with the Moparboy
Dodge,
You stated something I have to totally agree with, each lake and region needs
to be looked at or studied based on its individual population of fisherman-
C&R or keep & Cook, population of bass per acre, population of forage
fish per acre, population of higher predatory fish per acre, as well as how
productive is the recruitment of newly spawned bass based on a yearly average
to an idividual body of water.
Unfortunately that would take many years to do and a few more fisheries
biologists per region, as it is now we are lucky to have a handful for the
whole state.
PS:I do have to commend all as so far on this thread, I have read some great
responses and opinions, all well thoughtout, intellegent and respectful. I too had the same fears as John
G. had when I first read this post.
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Posted
by wnybassman on 2002 PM:
Scott and Dodge, you both
brought up good points about management.
I would dare guess that I would NOT be alone in stating that I would not mind a
license increase to $20 IF a large portion of this went to improve management
as we know it. Obviously it all would not go for bass, but just plain better resouces to obtain better management overall.
I think the state does very well for what it has to work with right now.
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Posted
by dodgeguy on 2002 PM:
i would pay double for my liscence
if they needed money to do it right!!!also,they
could put a slightly higher tax on things like line to help cover it. scott e.,tht's
my opinion on it!!!
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Posted
by Bass Rat on 2002 PM:
Noel, Dodge &
Scott
Good point. I would also
pay double for my liscence for the right reason, but
giving the government your money and expecting them to do the right thing with
it, Yeah right!
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Posted
by maximus10k on 2002 PM:
I think anybody who has
the time during the closed season, and feels they must be out on the waters,
should call thier local DEC and see if they can
volunteer thier help for the next few months. It may
kill the bug a bit and you'd be doing a good deed!!!!!
Posted
by Pete L on 2002 PM:
A lot
of good points and as so far civil.
Dodge - I agree with you about the higher fee`s
Bassrat - You mean we can`t
trust the State Gov`t to spend our hard earned money responsibly ???? I`m shocked !!!
Pete
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Posted
by earthworm77 on 2002 AM:
Guys...some great
points but........
......very few of the
dollars you pay for a license are spent in the direction of Bass fishing and
improvement of bass habitat. Trout stocking reigns as the money sucker for our
tax dollars and license fees. Something has to be done about that statewide.
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Posted
by PichinDocks on 2002 AM:
Sorry to start all of
this as I was only bringing up my opinion on this matter. I guess frustarted would be the word I would use to explain that
yes, rules are rules, and i would never
, ever suggest or promote fishing out of season. However, come on......
I mean not being allowed to catch and release bassfish
until may or june?
Ridiculous... I also agree that Poachers will do what they want when they want,
regardless of what rules and stipulations we lay down... I respect every Bass I
catch and even when the season is open I ensure that the fish I catch are
released to fight another day. I agree this has been a civil discussion, why wouldnt it be? we are all bass
fisherman, and that makes us all the same....
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Posted
by Bass Rat on 2002 AM:
quote:
Originally
posted by PichinDocks
we are all bass fisherman, and that makes us all
the same....
Boy, That quotes so loaded even I won't touch it!
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