Posted
by Travis on 2002 AM:
Paradise & Bigred...bulk Senkos
here is your answer concerning bulk
right from the yammie camp. This is the same answer
that I have received from many different makers over the years, especially
those offering handpours out of Ca. when I used to
use them by the ton in a place called
Okay, well I'm someone from Yamamoto and I'd love to answer this question. I
manage the Online Store and get a very significant number of requests for bulk
deals.
The long answer is that we used to have bulk available. We stopped doing this
because we do not have room to keep all of our 3,000-some different styles and
colors in stock as 100-count bags. And when we did, the weight of the bags and
bait tended to crush the soft bait. Then, nobody ever wants the same color or
style as another angler. It seemed that the extra efforts consumed any savings
we could reasonably pass on to the angler by making 100-count bags.
Now, dealers and distributors get bulk deals, naturally, by the caselot. (No suprise there,
right?) And the baits are still packaged in the normal ziplocks.
Now we love our anglers. You guys asking these questions. But honestly, we're
not into making outrageous profits on anyone. I think that our bait is worth
the extra cost, and I get that value back in better performance. If you don't
think that's true, you should either do a little more research here at the
Inside Line, or find another bait to use. Our bait is expensive to make. I know
for a fact that I'm not making rock-star wages. (In fact, everyone here is
definitely underpaid. *hint hint
The real question is, why don't the tackle stores have
special deals and quantity sales? We don't because we really don't want to
compete with them -- our corporate policy is to actually support those
mom-and-pop dealers who have to compete with the X-Marts selling 5,000-count bags
of X-bait.
So, to recap. We used to have bulk -- it really didn't
work out because of the quantity of products and the delicacy of our bait.
We're not trying to rip anyone off -- our bait is expensive to purchase because
it's just plain expensive to make -- our prices have NEVER increased and have
actually DECREASED in the last 15 years (we're getting cheaper) -- stores get
quantity deals and you should talk to your local dealer about getting the
deals.
Hope this helps,
-Ryan
Posted
by JOHN G on 2002 AM:
Thanks Trav, it speaks for itself....right or wrong , it is THEIR explanation,and now everyone can make of it what they want
and arrive at their own individual informed decision.... JOHN G
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Posted
by Bigredfishing on 2002 AM:
Well it is good to hear a
full honest explanantion. Thank you
Lance
PS: i guess ill package them in bulk myself! (or use my friend's business number to order some in a caselot)
Posted
by earthworm77 on 2002 AM:
"But honestly, we're
not into making outrageous profits on anyone. I think that our bait is worth
the extra cost, and I get that value back in better performance."
C'mon now, at $6.00 a bag GY is making about 5.50 profit. Lets
be serious here!!!!! If you guys knew what is costs to
make soft plastics compared to what you pay for them, you would be sick.
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by Scott C on 2002 AM:
"C'mon now, at $6.00
a bag GY is making about 5.50 profit. Lets be serious
here!!!!! If you guys knew what is costs to make soft
plastics compared to what you pay for them, you would be sick."
I would have bet money you would have said this.
Why.....would anyone continue to mfg and market a product if they werent making money on it ? Business 101 if you ask me.
I dont buy the weight/crush excuse either. So what do
they do take 10's of thousands of 10 count bags and scatter them all over the
place so they dont sit on each other ?
Just like anything else thats
made in bulk and sold in small qtys
................makes plenty of dough.
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Posted
by earthworm77 on 2002 AM:
I just don't buy the fact
the GY doesn't make a huge profit on his baits....that is a laughable quote by
Ryan.
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Posted
by paridiseblue on 2002 AM:
all i can
do is put myhand over my mouth and cough, BUllshit,
ok that is really really funny. I AM GOING TO BREAK
THIS STATEMENT DOWN
Okay, well I'm someone from Yamamoto and I'd love to answer this question. I
manage the Online Store and get a very significant number of requests for bulk
deals.
The long answer is that we used to have bulk available. We stopped doing this
because we do not have room to keep all of our 3,000-some different styles and
colors in stock as 100-count bags. SO HOW MUCH ROOM DOES 10, TEN COUNT BAGS
TAKE UP AS OPPOSED TO 1 HUNDRED COUNT BAG?
And when we did, the weight of the bags and bait tended to crush the soft bait.
SO ONCE AGAIN DO 100 10 COUNT BAGS WEIGH ANY LESS 10 100 COUNT BAGS. I HAVE
SENKOS STUFFED IN A SOFTSIDED TACKLE BAG SOMETIMES BURIED UNDER OTHER
TACKLEBOXES. I MEAN I KNOW THERE DELICATE ON THE HOOK BUT COME ON. I HAVE NEVER
CRUSHED A SENKO.
Then, nobody ever wants the same color or style as another angler. HERES A CLUE
BLACK, BLACK/BLUE, SMOKE/PURPLE I HAVE BURNED THROUGH 100 PLUS EASY THIS YEAR.
SO DO MANY PEOPLE IN MY CLUB.
It seemed that the extra efforts consumed any savings we could reasonably pass
on to the angler by making 100-count bags.
IT CONSUMED ANY SAVINGS WE COULD REASONABLY PASS ON. MORE LIKE IT WOULD CONSUME
YOUR PROFIT MARGIN. ANY HARDCORE GY USER WOULD NEVER BUY TEN AGAIN.
Now, dealers and distributors get bulk deals, naturally, by the caselot. (No suprise there,
right?) And the baits are still packaged in the normal ziplocks.
AND THEIR INCENTIVE TO PASS ALONG THE BUCK TO US WHEN THEY ALLREADY KNOW WE
WILL PAY 5.50$ TO 6.50$ A PACK
PART 2 COMING
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Posted
by earthworm77 on 2002 AM:
Good job
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Posted
by paridiseblue on 2002 AM:
Now we love our anglers.[FUNNY WAY OF SHOWING IT
You guys asking these questions. HATE US
But honestly, we're not into making outrageous profits on anyone. BULL
I think that our bait is worth the extra cost, and I get that value back in
better performance. AMAZING THE FIRST TRUE STATEMENT MADE.
If you don't think that's true, you should either do a little more research
here at the Inside Line, LIKE DOING CANCER RESEARCH AT THE AMERICAN TOBBACCO
INSTITUTE
or find another bait to use.MANY
ALLREADY HAVE
Our bait is expensive to make. I know for a fact that I'm not making rock-star
wages. (In fact, everyone here is definitely underpaid. *hint hint Gary*) WOW I HAD NO IDEA, YOU GUYS PAY SO MUCH MORE
FOR PLASTIC, AND SALT THEN ALL OTHER HANDPOUR COMPANYS
The real question is, why don't the tackle stores have special deals and
quantity sales? We don't because we really don't want to compete with them --
our corporate policy is to actually support those mom-and-pop dealers who have
to compete with the X-Marts selling 5,000-count bags of X-bait. FUNNY THEN WHY
IS KINAMI BAITS NOW IN WAL-MART.
So, to recap. We used to have bulk -- it really didn't
work out because of the quantity of products and the delicacy of our bait.
We're not trying to rip anyone off -- our bait is expensive to purchase because
it's just plain expensive to make -- our prices have NEVER increased and have
actually DECREASED in the last 15 years (we're getting cheaper) -- stores get
quantity deals and you should talk to your local dealer about getting the
deals.
LET ME RECAP, I WILL ADMIT I LOVE THE PRODUCT AND AM WILLING TO PAY MORE FOR
MORE. TACKLE SHOPS AND WAL MART HAVE NO REASON TO GIVE ANYONE A DEAL. I THANK
YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION, BUT I MIGHT BE TOO CYNICAL, I HAVE BOUGHT 100S OF 10
COUNT BAGS, I USE
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Posted
by Bigredfishing on 2002 AM:
paradise - great job, very true, i bet you feel better after venting! Anyway, i definetly agree with you and
worm. It is obvious that there was some major bull being thrown around by the
GYCB rep.
Lance
Posted
by paridiseblue on 2002 PM:
if you want to know the real shame
of it all, by not taking care of loyal fisherman who use the product regularly[
and are not idependently wealthy] it will hurt them
in the future. Eventually another company will make a decent substitution and
people will flock to them. i
have been in bait shops that sold 300-400 bags of senkos
a week. this cannot be confused with brand loyalty,
they are just the only game in town. that is a shame
because their product is a good one and i don't mind
spending money on premium tackle. some people will say
a crankbait is 10$ why not complain to them. but a crankbait will last me at
least a season in most cases. i
use p-line, i pay 15$ for 600 yrds.
no problem. i am paying 60
cents for a piece of soft plastic that falls of the hook the first time a fish
shakes his head, or you cast with to much authority. the
best i have ever done without zip-tying, tube cutting,supergluing , o-ring using is 3 fish to one Senko. thank god the ikas, craws and
grubs last longer.
i don't know i just worked myself into a frenzy for nothing, i'm upset, no one at GYCB gives a flying F.
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Posted
by earthworm77 on 2002 PM:
I'm not downgrading the
fact that GY baits are excellent and in my opinion, the best mass produced bait
out there. They definately work wonders and I rely on
some of them. They are also the only ones I would ever consider
buying......except for handpours, but now I make my
own. I honestly feel that particular rep was feeding everyone a line of BS in a
major way. I don't buy the crush/weight issue, how much more expensive can it
be to produce....I'm sure they buy plastic in huge quantities....and get it
less than I ever could. I'm also sure it is a totally machine run system where
you don't have humans slowing the process down......add salt....uh add plastic
coloring......err add plastic......stand back and watch as machine makes baits.
If these were handpoured one at a time, I could see a
higher price tag. One thing I have to say is that GYbaits
have always been 5.99 a bag so it is not like they are price gouging because
they realize the Senko is a big deal. I guess we can't beat them over the head
for that. Guys are willing to pay extra. In truth, there are a few senko like baits out there that I think are just as good at
half the price. The Case Magic Stik and the Venom
Salty Sling are pretty much solid choices. I don't like any of the others
though. You also can't beat them over the head for the bulk issue.....they know
you will buy them at 6.00 a bag...why add more and charge less. Scott...supply and demand. That is business 101!!!!
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Posted
by Gregg on 2002 PM:
I remember hearing they
are trying to have the look and feel of a small regional custom bait maker sold
through smaller store. That's why when sold in the large Wal-mart's of the world they change the name to Kinami.
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Posted
by Northbass on 2002 PM:
I have come to realize
that the price of senkos is ridiculous in my opinion.
The horzontal fall was revolutionary as well as the
addition of fall rate .... But having used other baits
that have improved on the concept, plus a few extras, I still catch the same
amount of fish. Now that is business 102!!!
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Posted
by JOHN G on 2002 PM:
all good points,
Paradise, you deserve a rant.....whether it is economics 101 or 102 or
"voodoo" economics, I would just like to remind Travis out there that
all of the spirited comments on Yammies statements
were exactly that, on YAMMIES statements, not on your post Trav,
all you did was take the time to print the company line for us to digest, and
well, several digested it! LOL.....good thread....... JOHN G
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Posted
by donw40 on 2002 AM:
price senko's
Somone here mentioned being ripped for
6+$ a bag. Now I'm not saying everyone shouldn't make a profit on the way, and
supporting a local store i believe IS important, but
don't blame senko if your paying that much, ask the
guy on the other side of the counter about it. I just bought 4" senko's for 3.99 @ meltzers, and i have never thought of them as a discount store. I buy
them and a small shop near the lake for 5.99. I don't complain to the guy on
the other side of the counter because he has to pay his wages and taxes and
such off that bag.
I guess what i'm saying is know the mark ups on the
way before you determine the source of the cost.
dw
Posted
by puddlejumper on 2002 PM:
Senkos $$
Yeah, they cost a few
bucks. I've bought the Kinami brand from wal-marts for $ 3.86 a bag. I go through a few bags a trip.
Not really a big deal, but to a tournament guy....... $$$.
Posted
by Ken L on 2002 PM:
This is capitalism at
work guys. You are all free not to buy them as GY is free to charge whatever
the traffic will bear. He clearly has built a better mousetrap and is fairly
reaping the rewards. Since a Senko is unpatentable
others are free to copy it and if GY's profit margin
is so unconsciously high they will and have. This too is capitalism. It is the
foundation of the world's largest, most competitive and productive economy. It
is quintessentialy American.
If there is a distortion here then free market forces will invariably deal with
it.
Did I mention the word FREE here?
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Posted
by Bigredfishing on 2002 PM:
I have come to the
conclusion that the kinami flash is exactly the same
as a senko. No difference at all, except packaging.
They weight the same, look the same, and actually, taste the same.
Lance