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Posted by Wild Bill on 06-27-2004 05:02 PM:

Naming Waters here on NYbass

This past week a post was titled "Secret Spot 6/23" which left a nasty taste in my craw because it was not forthright in offering solid info...the author was suggested to name the water, but still he refused to after being suggested he do so by anoter poster here, only then naming the town in a glib manner. Okay, it was probably FORT POND in MONTAUK, where great bassing can be found, with easy access to the road, but he would not share it. The fact he refused to name it is in total violation of what we do here at NYBass. John G assures me he totally missed seeing that post, as he has been encountering a system glitch in his computer, and was also extremely busy co-ordinating the Whaley event last week. No, I am no "net cop" enforcing rules, but thought this needed to be addressed , as we have so many new members recently

NYBass to me is about sharing, and I THINK that s the premise it operates on....not about holding info tight to our own chests secretly. As Greg described the sharing attitude found at this site so eloquently" it s what we do here at NYBass", or something to that effect.

No, it was not authored by either Earthy, or AKO, as some have thought I meant. Earthy has shared untold info on fishing here for years, in HUGE detail, mostly about tactics, presentations,and equipment selections. Because I cited 'lake X" [ a term Earthy has used over time}, many thought I meant Earthy, but he and I have 'discussed' this matter, and it was not him I meant at all, but rather I used that term in a generic sense, so to say, in JohnG post about 'what makes a lake great".

To any who wonder, "did he mean me?"...well, if your posts 'shoes fit"...hmm, maybe you should re-analyze why, or the manner you post here. No rules say "YOU MUST POST ALWAYS"....but if you post, offer some worthwhile info on naming the water and tactics utilized on the waters in this forum , as really, it is called "Places to Fish/Fishing Reports", not "Hey,Look what I caught".
NO, we don't need GPS coordinates, nor do we need to know exact spots, but NAME the water, at the very least.

To me, you all reading this are like 'fraternity brothers" to me here at NYBass, and I share all I can, and my posts will reflect that always. My waters are your waters...my info, yours
I seriously doubt that 'the bucket brigade" or the "bobber boyz' read our forum here, so if you withhold info, you are withholding from me, and others here too...and that is not what this site is about, in my opinion.

Some may resent this post; some may resent me for posting about waters and tactics so much all the time, as I do post alot here...to that I say, why post here then, if not to share with others???? I have fished Bass for 44 years so far with artificials, and I am a MUCH better angler because I have had info shared with me by SO many...and now, I share it with others. Little brings me pleasure the way sharing a day showing a guy a water or tactics, and then they hook up, does for me.

Think that kinda says it all for me....

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Posted by earthworm77 on 06-27-2004 05:29 PM:

Good Job Billy!

There have been several posts like this lately and it irks me too. Either come on the board and be detailed or keep quiet, there is no acceptable in between. I agree this place is about sharing. It absolutely is not about bragging and some of the recent posts have come off this way. Posting photos and reports to make guys wish they knew where you were fishing is "DICK".

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Posted by Bassin Dude on 06-27-2004 05:36 PM:

Bill,

Over the past couple years, my opinion on this matter has turned 180 degrees.

I fish a lot of "little water"... Ponds, small creeks etc. I was always very protective of these favorite spots. As a matter of fact, 2 or 3 years ago, I showed Rob J one of these spots and we posted about it here on NY Bass and referred to it as Creek X. A short time after that John G announced that he didn't want Lake X, Pond X, Creek X posts anymore. Although I understood his reasoning for the policy, I didn't like it and at that time, I voiced my displeasure for it.

Well, I kept fishing my little water and still felt compelled to post/brag about my exploits so, what the heck, I posted about it and gave all the information. You know what, nothing has really changed. The spots are still there, they're still producing and I really don't see more anglers there.

Beyond that, my attitude has changed. Yesterday, I fished a little pond in Marilla Town Park and was actually hoping someone would walk up to me and say "Are you Bassin Dude? Thanks for posting about this pond... it's great". That hasn't happened yet but I think it would be really cool.

With all that said, if another showed me one of their secret spots and asked me to keep it that way, of course I would. Additionally, if I happen to prefish a body of water with a guy who will be fishing in a tournament, I would never post about it. Just common courtesy.

I respect guys that like to keep their spots secret and I understand their reasoning. For me, it's changed.

Oh by the way, Creek X is Big Six Mile Creek

If anyone ever sees me there, or Marilla Town Park, or Sprague Brook Park, or South Park Lake etc... walk up and say HI!

... I'll be the guy catching all the fish

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Posted by caliper on 06-27-2004 05:59 PM:

I can understand everyones feelings regarding whether they want to let you know where they fish or dont let you know.

I also belong to another forum and I wont mention the name unless I get permission to do so from any of the Moderators here.

But to make a long story short the guys there meet one another for breakfast and go out fishing all the time. Everone really makes a concerted effort to pinpoint spots on the different rivers to find fish.

I always wanted to fish from a boat and never afforded the oppurtunity. I always thought it would be nice and when I wouldnt have to fish from shore and limited to that way of fishing.

I remember the days of forge pond and ronkonkoma and fishing the lake around the old World Fair.

Now if asked if someone could come with me I love the idea.

Have fun and enjoy your fishing days. and lets drink to that

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Posted by mikeD in NYC on 06-27-2004 06:13 PM:

i've stated my opinion before but will again for the record: NYBASS is about sharing and exchanging NY BASS FISHING INFO... if you don't want to share a fishing hole, then don't; but please repect what this site is about and the way johnG moderates and don't bother posting a report just to brag about the fish you caught, or the techniques you used, or whatever good time you had... and don't bitch about your fishing hole going down the tubes because of NYBASS... i think it is downright silly that people guage a water's fishability, or lack thereof, based upon the threads and reports here at NYBASS... like the whole mahopac nonsense of the past: that somehow reports at NYBASS caused it's downfall as a LM bass fishery (or whatever guys were complaining about)... perhaps you may find a member or lurker at your fishing hole due to them reading a report at NYBASS...but i see nothing wrong with that... do you really think a few extra fishermen will affect a lake's fish population?... i'm like Tony; i enjoy seeing others at the places i fish, especially NYBASSers.

remember: NYBASS is not some open forum where the 1st amendment is a guiding principle... some forums are like that, NYBASS is not... i've said it before: think of NYBASS as johnG's house and he's invited you over to hang out... yeah, there's a bunch of people peeking in the window, and they're welcome to come in if they want... some people don't like it this way, and that's fine... you can't please everyone all the time... NYBASS is moderated on a few principles that help continue the good nature of the board... it has worked wonderfully in the past and will continue to work in the future:

1. share with others; newbie or advanced, what you know, when you can.

2. pleasure fishing is the focus, with tournament fishing discussions welcome in the tournament forum.

3. there is a level of subjectivity to moderating an internet forum... please respect that.. the rules are not hard and fast and sometimes mistakes are made... also, not every post is read in a timely manner by john.. and i certainly do not read every thread... so it is entirely possible that a thread or post could be missed by john and/or myself.

people will continue to get posts deleted, or get booted from the board or leave the board... oh well... there are plenty of boards out there where the"freedom to say anything you want" reigns... in the internet forum world, that almost always leads to an unfriendly atmosphere, and NYBASS will continue to be THE FRIENDLIEST BASS FISHING FORUM ON THE INTERNET with JOHN G AS IT'S TYRANNICAL DICTATOR.

i've also noticed that another Bass Fishing Forum that was spoke about several weeks ago (with members critical of NYBASS) has been offline for several weeks... and before they were offline, they were receiving 1/10 the traffic NYBASS is getting.... i wonder why that is...oh wait, i know!... we figured something out over here!... NYBASS works and most members like it.

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Posted by Wild Bill on 06-27-2004 08:13 PM:

For decades....

I too, never spilled my success to anybody but my best and most trusted fishing buddy and two brothers, but as I matured, and being 50, I have come to realize the sharing of something is at times WAY better then the satisfaction of doing it yourself alone. To see your freind, or your child, or even some 'tag along' kid on the bank catch a fish that you just showed him how....dudes, it floors me everytime now. To see the look of glee in their eyes, or see them 'light right up' emotionally....just slays me....
It's why I share so much....

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Posted by caliper on 06-27-2004 08:36 PM:

Bill ,Thats so true. when you get to our age its no more keeping everuthing to ouselves. Especially when you see the smiles on the kids faces after they catch their first fish or they do something that there so excited about that now puts a smile on my face.

Cal

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Posted by Richie on 06-27-2004 09:01 PM:

Knowledge is one of the only things that you can give away and still at the same time keep it for yourself

Posted by Gregg on 06-27-2004 09:59 PM:

Places to fish/ Fishing Reports is the biggest and busiest board on the site, were would we be if everyone stopped posting about where we fish. And I'm sure it's why alot of people come here, yes even the lurker. SO WHAT we can hide or go on having our fun.
I choose to have fun, if that mean a few more fisherman on my water so be it. It's already happened! When John and I started posting about Wampus it saw some extra traffic. They have moved on, John and I are still there Wampus is still there and we're still catching fish.

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Posted by HugeFish4 on 06-27-2004 10:01 PM:

Yes Gregg...but where did all the 9lbers go! LOL!

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Posted by AKO32 on 06-27-2004 10:04 PM:

Wildbill, Thanks for clarifying that. I felt the shoe kind of fit but, I wasn't sure . Now that I know where you are coming from... I understand your sentiments and I agree completely. I have no problem sharing info with a member of NYBASS. BUT, not only NYBASS members read this forum. I have corresponded with many fine members of NYBASS and have forged friendships with some members. I've got NO problems sharing with NYBASS members...not "everyone" else. In the post on the other forum you mentioned other waters besides Suffolk waters. I for one can only speak for Suffolk waters as it is where I fish. I have fished a few lakes in Wantagh but, my experience is very limited.

In Suffolk, it is not so limited. I know some of these waters pretty well. I have seen local waters get pounded real hard. Not only by the "bucket brigade" but rather decent fisherman like you and I. I remember when we spoke at the cleanup you mentioned having never fished Forge. Bill, it is half the water it was just 3 years ago. It is on the decline and the numbers show it. Have the fish gotten wise to the Senko? I wouldn't know, I rarely pull that one out of my vest. Sorry Hugefish, I do throw em' also

Why is it on the decline? I have driven past the river 6 days of the last 7 and there were at least 4-5 cars at each launch...legal or illegal launches. Bill, please understand that I and some others only are trying to protect what we know are fragile waters. Have you seen any of the studies done on the mosquito spraying in Suffolk county? Have you seen the reports of the impact of the spraying has on the aquatic life? Do you think that the waters have other pressures besides other fisherman? I am only illustrating my reasons for not broadcasting over a regional fishing board like NYBASS. This is one hell of a successful site. NO arguing that. There are a hell of a lot more lurkers rather than members. That is a fact as well.

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This is NYBASS.COM that's why we come here to POST to talk and share with fellow friends and fisherman. You don't want to post about some little pond DON'T, that it move along! No rule says you have to post, John has some rules if you do post (and I think their fair) but no rule says you have to post.

Gregg, I agree with you completely but, we all don't come here for the same reasons. I know your intentions are in the right place but, we aren't speaking amongst friends only. And yes , I believe the added attention that a board like this can add, and does nothing to help the water.

I respect the rules here on NYBASS and won't post Lake X posts, EVER. I do think that some of my experiences on the water can help others and when the situation arises, the moderators will do as they see fit. I ask John and Mike to continue to read the posts and moderate on an as needed basis. No hard rules, be the willow

I don't remember who mentioned the word ellitist but, I am certain that there are no members here who think they are above others. What we each do here on the water is something special to ALL of us. Our passion can't be matched by most. Share what you can, share what you want, be honest and respect others views. When someone says something a bit "queer" don't be afraid to call em' on it.

Lastly, thank you all for sharing your experiences. I have nothing to add to most but, they are all interesting.

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Posted by Wild Bill on 06-27-2004 10:09 PM:

since you responded...

I'll answer your PM and forum response right here....

Indeed, I fish the east end of the south fork of Long Island alot each summer and Fall. Almost thiry years so far, and still do, and yes, for freshwater Bass in many tiny ponds out there.....ones I do not name either, but do NOT post about, due to policy here, some I do not know names for even, just how to get there, as I have summered in the east end since the late 60s.
In fact, I have been rebuffed by the moderator, JohnG myself a long time ago here for not naming a water, as several guys here have also,like Earthy too,, so don't take it personally.

That particluar water I posted about, is actually located on a private property, and I am not able to even bring ONE guest EVER in my agreement with the land owner...and in my writeup at that time, I was saying how I use that water to test new patterns or lures to gain confidence in them, with no pics shown, and I was told it would just tease and aggrevate many here, and not to post without being willing to name a water's location if requested, and preferably, to be posted initially in the post. That water is NOT even named, as the landowner made it himself over forty years ago with his own bulldozer, then his son, now grown, stocked it in the sixties.....so hence, I cannot post about it, and god I want to at times....with rawed thumbs. ..but that is the policy here...so.........post what you want, when you want to name spots, but don't put blank-named waters up to taunt us....but I'll let management here tell you THAT....just, once again, trying to share my experience with you. Has nothing to do with age....and never insinuated it did.

Also, a good friend of mine from this site will be vacationing right in Montauk in about two weeks or so, and will indeed be fishing for freshwater bass while there, as I will be this summer season too, so people really do fish it, you just have never seen us yet, nor I you, yet...but sooner or later, our paths shall cross probably, as it is a smaller world than you may realize....with a limited number of Bass waters available to all of us. Me, I keep NOTHING I catch, and clean waters as I fish them of lines and debris left by others....

Like I said before, I doubt there is a single 'bobber boyz" nor a member of the 'five-gallon pail gang" here, but rather many passionate conservationists here on this site that would nurture the waters and treat them like the gem they are.

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Posted by Wild Bill on 06-27-2004 10:18 PM:

Doh...!!

again, it looks like I am speaking to AKO, but not the case at all, Andrew...
It was about Santos Al's responses to me....and initially his post.."Secret water 6/23"...

I have fished Forge twice so far last year, including Earthy's memorial event...real pretty water, serene...nice bassing last year, and a great time with the gang assembled to help that family. Had a hoot at the cleanup this springtime there too with many of you that joined in that effort led by NYBass's AKO[Andrew}...

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Posted by Wild Bill on 06-27-2004 10:35 PM:

AKO...

Throw the FROG there now.....had 23 blowups in Earty's memorial, alone in the canoe, boated only 7 due to heavy gak, and being alone to work troller to get to them...Fished it ll day, and left grinning like a fool......

Here's a tip I often do on waters that get pounded...

GO BIG..!! Piss em right off, so much, the bass has to just pounce on it...show them something NEW,a dn something different than the 'crowd'..!! Get the sows to commit with a bog ole bait....ain't no time to namby-pamby em always. Sometimes, yes, sometimes NO...ain't that the beauty of it all? LOL

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Posted by YorkPaFisherman on 06-28-2004 08:28 AM:

gee,my first post here and I think I may tick one or 2 off....

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Like I said before, I doubt there is a single 'bobber boyz" nor a member of the 'five-gallon pail gang" here, but rather many passionate conservationists here on this site that would nurture the waters and treat them like the gem they are.

I read that post,and I just had to respond to it.

Now I dont know where you fish,but I am sure with a little bit of searching on this site I could easily find out. I may not have your exact location or "honey-hole",but enough information to gey me started.

Dont worry,I am not a "meat-hog" or part of the hated "bucket brigade". But there are alot of people who use sites like this one to get an idea where to go and where others are doing well. Yes,even they have computers.

Even if it is only one person who finds the general area you fish and starts going therem - so what,right? But what if that one person is a fairly skilled angler too? Even if he only goes fishing twice a month,but is able to catch his limit of nice fish each time he goes out,how long untill most of the hawgs are gone??

Remember your statistics - how many eggs does a female lay during the spawn? Average for a largemouth is @ 4000 per pound of fish. Of that number,statistically only 2 fish reach lunker proportions!! So generally speaking the more bass that are there to spawn,the better numbers of fish that will be there to catch inthe future.

That is one of the problems of naming some of the waters we fish. Some of them just cant handle the pressure. So "dont post at all" you say. That is a good point,but we as fisherman are also braggers - it is almost a sense of duty to tell the world how we did.

I personally come to forums like this to kinda "pre-trip" a fishing excursion. So if I were to head to one of my favorite NY fishing spots,I will be able to see what may be working in a particular river or lake I plan to fish. I know that if bodies of water arent named in a report - then I wont have the info I am looking for. But I still repect the fact that someone is trying to protect the resource that is so fragile all over the country.

Basically,I hope that a common ground can be found on this issue,one that will make most everyone happy,and protect our waters at the same time.

tight lines,Pete

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Posted by AKO32 on 06-28-2004 09:09 AM:

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I personally come to forums like this to kinda "pre-trip" a fishing excursion. So if I were to head to one of my favorite NY fishing spots,I will be able to see what may be working in a particular river or lake I plan to fish. I know that if bodies of water arent named in a report - then I wont have the info I am looking for.

Thank you for being honest . Pete, anytime you are looking to "pretrip" one of your trips to LI, you can contact me via the PM feature on the board. Great first post and there are many more that wouldn't post here like you.

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Posted by AKO32 on 06-28-2004 09:26 AM:

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Well, I kept fishing my little water and still felt compelled to post/brag about my exploits so, what the heck, I posted about it and gave all the information. You know what, nothing has really changed. The spots are still there, they're still producing and I really don't see more anglers there.

Wish I could say the same .

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Posted by dodgeguy on 06-28-2004 11:15 AM:

it's oh soooo simple!!!!if you don't want to name the water then post it under tackle and tactics and describe how and what you did to catch the fish.that fits all the rules and protects your spots without ticking off anybody.

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Posted by Tracker99 on 06-28-2004 12:35 PM:

Interesrting thread to say the least. As a relative newbie to the list, I to have been taken to task about being too precise as to the locations that I was fishing. I understood the concerns of those cautioning me and their reasons why. I've continued to post but now only name general areas. The problem with that is for someone like me who needs more detailed information then just saying the Peconic or a lake on the North Fork, doesn't give me any usuable information. Still it's better then nothing.

One of the main reasons why I joined NY BASS.com was to attain decent fishing locations, since I hardly knew any.

One other point that I would like to make is that so many of those Honey holes that we try to protect are so well known that I was shocked to hear them mentioned while chatting with other fisherman that I meet while fishing.

Posted by Mark G on 06-28-2004 12:41 PM:

Tracker, I went through the same thing when I started posting here. Personally, I don't care about giving away my honey holes, but then we all are in unique situations. My waters (NYC Reservoirs) are never going to get much pressure no matter how much trumpeting I do. You may not be in the same situation.

I always respect my friend's wishes and do not post about their spots. If I find a spot all by myself I will post it's location if I so choose. It's up to you to decide what to post and in how much detail!

Mark

Posted by Gregg on 06-28-2004 05:40 PM:

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but rather many passionate conservationists here on this site that would nurture the waters and treat them like the gem they are.

Good point, I think YorkPaFisherman just proved not all lurkers are bad guys.

nurture How does one nurture a lake? No one is nurturing anything "your fishing it" and what did you do AKO you invited him to fish it!!!!!

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Pete, anytime you are looking to "pretrip" one of your trips to LI, you can contact me via the PM feature on the board.

2 minutes ago you were scared of him because he was a lurker now he has posted he's in the CLUB he's ok and you'll even show him the door. What happened to not wanting more fisherman on your water.

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I have no problem sharing info with a member of NYBASS. BUT, not only NYBASS members read this forum.

What happens if 5 more NYBASSER call tonight you tell them too??? Isn't 5 more then that 20 acre pond can handle???
What happens if 20 call, wait now that's too many
Guess you get to play god and pick who is high enough in the CLUB to get the info.

your not nurture anything your being elitist with infomation.

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