Posted by NO LUCK on 2003 AM:

Powell's Proof

I'm curious if anyone who was leary about the accusations of the goverment towards Iraq, feel that the impending war is now justified, after Powell's statment today...

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Posted by Scott E. on 2003 AM:

Was not leary at all!!!

Although I think we should have taken care of the problem correctly when George Sr. was in the oval office, now we may be facing much worse opposition, the possibility of loosing more troops due to chemical and biological agents he has been allowed to stockpile unchecked over the past 12 or so years.

At least many of the middle eastern countries were with us back then, now to them and the world it looks as if Jr. has a vendetta. I would also feel a bit more comfortable if the job was done in Afganastan and Osama was dead as well as his band of merry terrorists, which may also complicate things on the Iraqi front.

Again though the U.S. has to play world cop because the wimp ass UN can't handle it's duties as it was intended for, so what is the reason to have a freaking organization that no one pays attention too anyway? Wait I can answer that question myself, so they can park anywhere they damn well want in NYC!!!

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Posted by JOHN G on 2003 AM:

I have never had any doubt about what Irag is doing, I am more concerned that we will ever find the damn stuff even if we go in there....could even be over the border in Iran for all we know, similar to the Taliban who are feasting over the border in Pakistan..... JOHN G

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Posted by Greg Hill on 2003 AM:

I dont think that was a big surprise to anyone either .The question is, is he really goofy enough to give it to terrorists.I also wonder about Iran,which is not exactly a bastion of freedom and who probably has a stockpile of its own.
After listening to the President Tuesday,I began to wonder if he walks around with a copy of Tom Clanceys "Executive
Order" under his arm like a bible.
I dont like this thing,but making a case for war doesnt require any of Powel's proof to the UN.The Texan said something the other night that remended me of the way I felt after we pulled the inspectors out the first time.This dictator struck this deal with the UN to save his tail,and he was allowed to keep what was left of his conventional arms in that deal.He got a sweet deal by the UN in anyones definition.
HE BLEEPING BROKE THAT DEAL IN 92,and I remember being outraged.He calculated,correctly, that this country wouldnt send send the troops over to enforce it and that the international community wouldnt support us even if we wanted.When I saw
that Iraqui clown step to the podium yesterday and accuse Powel of presenting manufactered(although it wasnt surprising.) evidence,I realised that my patiance with these clowns had reached its limit. If an argument can be made that us going it alone may encourage other countrys to invade any country they want,cant the same argument be made that alowing roque countrys to break treatys with the UN is worse?
I hope we get our soldiers,marines,sailers and airmen back home safely .Lord knows I love and appreciate every last one of them and their familys.

Posted by HookUp on 2003 AM:

Your post on Iraq reading Tom Clancy's books are real. I understand the Super Bowl in SanDiego had more security that one can imagine. Another Clancy book, blasting a dirty nuke at the Super Bowl and killing a few 1000 on prime time TV. All of Clancy's books display real threats that could be carried out by bad guys.

My opinon about war w/ Iraq.

Make no doubt about it, it will happen. I'm not for war w/ Iraq because of the economic consequences, but I will support what ever decision my president makes and back him 100%. It's one of those "I don't have to like it, I just have to do it" things.

I feel that on 9/12/01 Sodamn Insane should have been taken out covertly by either one of our guys or Israeli Mossaud with no CNN (Clinton National Network) present. Just one day, wake up, and he's gone. No real story. Press forgets about it.

My reasons for feeling the war will happen are many:
1. US would like to have a stronger presence in the Middle East Region. What better way to do this and build US military bases?
2. Bush Sr. had an attempt made on his life in the mid-90's while visiting Saudi Arabia. I've read that Sodamn was linked to the assasination.
3. Bush Jr. wants to finish what Sr. started 10 years ago
4. Oil
5. US wants to show ME that it is still capable of spilling blood for the democratic cause
6. It just makes sense to get rid of that tyrant before we have another 9/11 incident or worse. Imagine the possibility of a bw/cw attack on our soil.

Posted by Charlie on 2003 PM:

The phone conversations are genuine, the pictures are real. If you read my prior "State Of The Union" address you will see that I have some personal experience of the Middle East as I lived and worked in Iran, Dubai, Saudi Arabia and was in Iraq after 1991.

The terrorist network is alive and well in Iraq. The Iraqi people want to see Saddam Hussein killed. His "elite" (joke) army are a bunch of mindless individuals who with no education, no food and no future who will "kill themselves" believing as our terrorists of 9/11 believed that Allah will lift them up as demi Gods when they die for the cause against the infidel America.

in 91, while stationed in Silopi, I met several Iraqi troops and pilots who defected to Turkey. Every single one of them told a similar story. They were pressed into service, forced to march into the desert and shot at anything that moved. They all believed that America would win and that George Bush would kill Saddam. In fact I will always remember one pilot who told me " if Bush had killed Hussein "I would be a Christian because your God would have been more powerful than my God", but Saddam told the people "America cannot kill me" and when we did not, they BELIEVED HIM!

This is the worlds ONLY opportunity to wipe this man and his sidekicks off the face of the earth. Innocent people who he will use as human shields WILL DIE.... Thats showbiz folks.

Support your flag, support your men and women and kick these pathetic liberal idiots including Susan Sarandon into oblivion for good.

Charlie

PS please, stop using OIL as an excuse, WE dont need it, we have NEVER needed it and we don't want it now. What we want is a country that our children can run and play in the streets without the fear of being gassed, poisoned, blow up or shot, by a bunch of lunatics lead by a dictator.

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Posted by Scott E. on 2003 AM:

Charlie, Are you the real 007!!!

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Originally posted by Charlie
The phone conversations are genuine, the pictures are real. If you read my prior "State Of The Union" address you will see that I have some personal experience of the Middle East as I lived and worked in Iran, Dubai, Saudi Arabia and was in Iraq after 1991.

Maybe he was with British intelligence???

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The terrorist network is alive and well in Iraq. The Iraqi people want to see Saddam Hussein killed. His "elite" (joke) army are a bunch of mindless individuals who with no education, no food and no future will "kill themselves" believing as our terrorists of 9/11 believed that Allah will lift them up as demi Gods when they die for the cause against the infidel America.

I am sure we can accommodate that fantasy for them with a little carpet bombing.

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in 91, while stationed in Silopi, I met several Iraqi troops and pilots who defected to Turkey. Every single one of them told a similar story. They were pressed into service, forced to march into the desert and shot at anything that moved. They all believed that Amercia would win and that George Bush would kill Saddam. In fact I will always remember one pilot who told me " if Bush had killed Hussein "I would be a Christian because your God would have been more powerful than my God", but Saddam told the people "America cannot kill me" and when we did not, they BELIEVED HIM!

The only reason we did not kill him is because we went soft and we were afraid we would upset the balance of power in the Middle East and that some other dictator would take over and be worse than this madman, in other words basically allow Iran's army to waltz right into Iraq and take over. I just hope we don't make this same mistake again and allow the more liberal European countries like France and Germany to sway the minds of our politicians.

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This is the worlds ONLY opportunity to wipe this man and his sidekicks off the face of the earth. Innocent people who he will use as human shields WILL DIE.... Thats showbiz folks.

I agree this is a side affect of war we will never be able to get away from, we may also loose solders but again another side affect of war and freedom, I hope the numbers will be as low as in Desert Storm but I think we might be in for a bigger fight the closer we get to Baghdad.

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Support your flag, support your men and women and kick these pathetic liberal idiots including Susan Sarandon into oblivion for good.

What do you expect from Susan Sarandon, she supports PETA who supports domestic terrorism by supporting the ALF, I'm just surprised Hanoi Jane(Jane Fonda for those to young to remember) has not spoke up against going to war with Iraq.

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PS: Please, stop using OIL as an excuse, WE dont need it, we have NEVER needed it and we don't want it now. What we want is a country that our children can run and play in the streets without the fear of being gassed, poisoned, blow up or shot, by a bunch of lunatics lead by a dictator.

I agree we have plenty enough oil in the national reserve to get us by for a while, but we need to look at other alternative fuels and sources, once we run out of our reserves we would have to start drilling in places like Alaska's pristine wilderness and national park lands.

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Posted by Paul_M on 2003 AM:

Powell's word is good enough for me.

Posted by Charlie on 2003 AM:

Hi Scott!

Lets just say I have had a very interesting life!

Charlie

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Posted by bink on 2003 PM:

Am i the only one who has thought for months that we will be attacking Iraq. It dont matter what the UN inspectors find,do you think if the inspectors said "Well we looked and there is not much to report in the way of weapons"we wouldnt have found another reason to get into a war with Iraq. Come on, who here is going to be surprised when they turn on the tv and see Dan or Peter with a picture of Bhagdad(sp)in the background talking about early morning strikes?

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Posted by Bass Rat on 2003 PM:

Charlie, I thought you became an American citizen because they kicked you out of Australia.

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Posted by theole34 on 2003 AM:

governments lie.. ours does quite frequently. powell doesn't strike me as a sellout though.

my only real concern w iraq is the detonation of dirty nukes in place while our troops are moving in. he claims we will commit suicide by entering bagdhad.. i belv this is his intention.

to kill saddam outright will martyr him. capture him and put him in a prison cell w noriega. systematically hunt down rebel soldiers, and work towards a new govt in iraq. another vietnam is what we will get. i also like the idea of around the clock carpet bombing of strongholds.

if you could see the face of war on people in a country embraced by it (and i know a few of you have) you would have some interesting views that might not be accepted here. talk for another day.

i support our troops, and pray for a safe return. wish them well, and hope they give iraq hell!!

i still worry about the consequences, even though it seems we must act.

robbie

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Posted by Northbass on 2003 PM:

Nick, Charlie is from South Africa.

Posted by Scott E. on 2003 PM:

So what should we do with Sadam and Iraq?

More economic sanction, more inspections, all of these he has just shunned and played his games of hide and seek and he has admitted to it, this is his strategy to hold onto his weapons, his attitude is too hell with the welfare of the Iraqi people as long as he has his palaces and bombs.

In Desert Storm he sent a few scuds hurling at Israel, why? Not to help the Palistinians, they had asked for his help years before and he turned them down, but in hopes we would back down as we have a weakness there, he was trying to antagonize Israel into attacking him and in turn having every Arabic country involved, not something we wanted at the time or would want even now.

The sabres are rattling louder everyday ladies and gentlemen and the longer our troops stay in the desert near the Iraqi boarder the momentum of war gets faster and stronger and harder to stop and even much harder to bring our brave men and women home without some sort of action taking place, that's the economics of war, there almost is no choice.

I feel we will be glued to our TV sets watching either CNN, FOX, CNBC, or some other cable news channel in the very near future, maybe a week or so.

PS: As a side note, my very first date with Tina came on the first night the bombs fell on Baghdad in Desert Storm, January 17, 1991, from our table in the restaurant we could clearly see and hear the TV in the bar.

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Posted by Northbass on 2003 PM:

God bless America!!!!!!!!!

Posted by JOHN G on 2003 PM:

Scott, when I first dated my wife Barbara , they were bombing Cambodia!!

that war was endless and pointless, the younger people today at least have had the satisfaction of seeing America go in and finish things...

Sadaam is the biggest fool on the face of the earth, everything he holds dear and near is about to crumble around him...

JOHN G

Posted by Kenny C on 2003 PM:

JUST NUKE THE BASTARDS !!!

AND WE CAN ALL HAVE A BEER !!!

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Posted by Scott E. on 2003 AM:

Yep....Let's do that

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JUST NUKE THE BASTARDS !!!

AND WE CAN ALL HAVE A BEER !!!

Ken,

I'm wondering in which county you are taxed to death in???

Only reason I ask is you talk of nuking the bastards, I know it's all in jest, but do you live in Westchester or one of the surrounding counties to the north or west, maybe within the 10 mile radius of Indian Point, if so you'll nuke those bastards and allow yourself and your family to breath the fallout that will travel around the earth and come right back at us but allow the politicians to close Indian Point power plant so not only your tax bill will be higher but you electric bill will be double or more of what it is now.

So now you can't afford the beer because your taxes and electric bills are too high and your hair is falling out because of radiation poisoning. Now also remember we are not the only ones with nuclear weapons, India and Pakistan start hurling them at one another and N. Korea decides to send one hurling at the north west most part of the US...Alaska, all because we set a bad example by using one in Iraq after preaching and threatening these other countries not to use them.

All in all NUKE ALL THE BASTARDS AND BE DONE WITH IT

and the whom ever is left can die from the iradiated beer

PS: Ken, just messing with your head, please don't take me serious.

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Posted by HugeFish4 on 2003 AM:

War with Iraq will accomplish nothing in the long run. Unfortunately, there are too many "rogue" nations or individuals willing to sell conventional arms and more sinister devices for dollars of any denomination. While I would like to see Saddam gone as much as any American, I feel for the people. Invariably, there will be collateral civilian deaths at the hands of our weapons and troops. In the minds of the fanatical and not so fanatical of the Middle East, there is no difference between this type of killing and what we define as "terrorist" killing. The means are different, but at the end of the day, both methods result in the death of innocents. This will breed more hatred of Americans across this world, and incite more fanaticism; and so the cycle continues.

I fear that one-day a war between the ideals of the West and the East will come to fruition. This is the World's
worst nightmare.

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Posted by Bass Rat on 2003 AM:

I think we all agree that war is not a good solution. However it may be a nccessary evil. What has to happen to our country befor the bleeding hearts stop picketting? Wasn't an act of war declared on this country less than 2 years ago? If Bush would have declared war on 9-12-01 no one would have said a word.

If one of the UN nations who currently oppose an Iraqi invation where to be the victim of an attack who would they come running to for help?

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Posted by theole34 on 2003 AM:

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I think we all agree that war is not a good solution. However it may be a nccessary evil.

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I fear that one-day a war between the ideals of the West and the East will come to fruition. This is the World's worst nightmare

both .. oh, so true!
scarey shiznit boys.

it looks to be we will at least bomb iraq, maybe invade. hope it all works out.

robbie

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JUST NUKE THE BASTARDS !!!

that would be ironic.
kenny, you are a sick puppy, but... i like that.

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Posted by Cast-a-way on 2003 PM:

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Originally posted by HugeFish4
War with Iraq will accomplish nothing in the long run. Unfortunately, there are too many "rogue" nations or individuals willing to sell conventional arms and more sinister devices for dollars of any denomination. While I would like to see Saddam gone as much as any American, I feel for the people. Invariably, there will be collateral civilian deaths at the hands of our weapons and troops. In the minds of the fanatical and not so fanatical of the Middle East, there is no difference between this type of killing and what we define as "terrorist" killing. The means are different, but at the end of the day, both methods result in the death of innocents. This will breed more hatred of Americans across this world, and incite more fanaticism; and so the cycle continues.

I fear that one-day a war between the ideals of the West and the East will come to fruition. This is the World's
worst nightmare.

Well said Huge....it turns out that some of the proof offered wasn't all it appeared to be. It turns out the document produced by British Intelligence was taken from a 6yr. old magazine article and most of it was taken from a college student's paper. Another photo which was said to be a build-up of troops on the boarder turned out not to be the case according to a Tampa newspaper. This doesn't look good for us, twisting the facts and being in such a hurry to go to war while inspectors are still there. My two cents..

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Posted by Greg Hill on 2003 PM:

I cant say I understand the anti protesting thing going on.If I got upset every time someone disagreed with me,I would have died of a stroke by now. I remember those tanks in China sent to mow down those protesters a few years back.some of those kids family got a bill for the bullet put in their heads.The reason we have troops is to protect our rights,one of which is freedom to express your self no matter how far left or right of center that oppinion may fall. I say protest all you want,be it anti war,anti abortion,pro life,or no live bait.Just do it within the law and we be alright.