Posted by Scully on 03-15-2004 12:17 PM:
Enough is enough
I have officially had
enough. In the aftermath of the "Spanish Massacre" the spanish people
elected a new government dedicated to ending their support of the United
States, visa-via, Iraq and Afganistan. They intend to bring all Spanish troops
home by June 30th and agreeing only to participate with UN approval in future
conflicts. The terrorists have succeeded.....and the people of Spain helped them!!!! Let me get this
right....you kill 200 of my citizens and wound 1400 more and I appolgize to you
for making you do it? You have got to be F-----g kidding me.
Dont these people get it? Evidently not. There is one group of people
responsible for ALL the worlds disorder and violence. The FREE world needs to
face those facts now before its too late. The world turned a blind eye to the
Nazis and Imperialist Japan until it was too late, costing millions of innocent
lives. Wake up.
To quote "Don Imus" of the "Imus In The Morning"
show......"its terrible to say but we are going to have to kill them
all....yes ALL of them before they kill all of us. I see no other way to stop
the madness. They dont want peace, their religion tells them to kill all
infadels and according to their beliefs, we are the infidels. I dont need to be
caught in a downpour before I know its raining out."
God knows I hate contemplating the awful possabilities of what might follow.
However, do you honestly believe it will be long before terror hits this
country again? What havoc those terrorist could cause on the Long Island
Railroad. That thought is frightening. We simply can not come to an agrangement
with these people....they dont care about material needs like money and power.
They want to go meet Allah and get rewared with 37 virgins. The time has come.
We are not the only country dealing with Muslim fundamentalists. China, which has vowed to invade any
country that backs terror on their soil is free of terror attacks...wonder why.
They are the only major country to be free of this scurge on humanity. Like TR
said...walk softly but carry a big stick. China warned Pakistan that if Muslim Fundamentalists
caused problems in Chinas southern provinces (which had begun), China would invade Pakistan and seize their country by force
to stop it. Suddenly no more problems. The time has come.
We send billions of dollars abroad to help any one of a hundred countrys fight
disease, famine and to assist with any and all humanitarian needs. Where do the
Muslim fundamentalists send their money? To the families of suicide bombers,
thats where. During the recent earthquake disaster in Iran, we sent almost 30 million
dollars in aid and relief. Saudia Arabia sent less than $500, 000. and Syria and Lebanon sent $000000. As Jackie Mason
might say.... "so who's the schmuk?" The time has come.
I dont usually get on a political jag.....but come on. I dont particularly like
George Bush or Senator Kerry however the difference now seems glaring. We need
to think power in Foreign Policy. We CAN NOT appear to be weak, even for a
moment. The economy is a good thing to be concerned about, so are taxes and
health care and God forbid Gay Marriages. However, you need to still BE ALIVE
to worry about those thing. The time has come.
I dont want to see your sons and daughters in the trences and on the front
lines, however its their duty. My Great, Great Grandfather fought at Antietam and lost a leg. My Great
Grandfather fought in Cuba during the Spanish American War.
My Grandfather fought in France in WW 1 and my Father was a B-17
pilot who was knocked down and spent 18 monts in a German POW compound Stalag
17 Luft lll during WW ll. I myself fought with the 101st Airborne in Viet Nam. The time has come.
To quote the father of our Country George Washington. "It is the duty of
EVERY citizen to protect his country by force of arms. Weather the conflict
arises on our shores or draws us affar we must ever be vigilant. Let no
individual set aside his sacred duty to country for he shall be judged not by
his words but by his deeds." Amen brother. Citizenship comes with a price
we all MUST pay. The time has come
IF America is to survive in this new era of
terrorism, we must combat terror with a lethal fervor. Nice talk and a bunch of
trinkets will no longer get it done. WE dont need the approval of the whole
world to protect ourselves. It's our right. We wont bother you, but if you piss
us off....your going to pay for it, one way or the other. If we want to send a
message to the world....lets send the UN packing. Tell them...pay your parking
fines (now listed at $1, 600, 000) and give them 30 days to evacuate the
building before turning it into low income housing. The time has come.
Let them squabble among themselves, but tell them in no uncertain terms
.....keep out of our way or else. Is this a form of isolationism...sure, but
its what I like to call aggresive isolationism or perhaps unilateralism. Do we
really need anyone else? Are we no longer self reliant? If we arent, we most
deffinitley need to be. The "amok" time is coming. It gets closer
with each passing day. We had better be prepared because our enemies certainly
will be. The time has come.
Scul
Posted by Lpbassman on 03-15-2004 12:28 PM:
Ray,
I think you said it all and I could not agree with you any more. Time to put Spain in the same $#!+pile as the
French. Time to tell the rest of the world to go screw yourselves and see how
long they survive without the ecconomic help and charity of the United States. I've said this before and will
repeat:
"Kill them all and let god sort them out"
If I had my way Iraq, Afghanistan, Moracco, Pakistan and most of the middle
east should be turned into one large smoldering pot hole!
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Posted by LkHopatcong71 on 03-15-2004 12:31 PM:
...
A-MEN to that Scully.. I agree with everything you said.. its time!!!
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Posted by Theole34 on 03-15-2004 12:45 PM:
well said ray.
i agree fully.
i anxiously await the response from those that don't fully understand.
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Posted by Fred on 03-15-2004 12:52 PM:
I agree with your
sentiments, but Spain only had 1500 people over there
in the first place. They barely ever separated themselves from France in the first place.
The UN would probably cease to exist if it were located anywhere else in the
world, but I don't think that is a bad alternative.
This is and will continue to be a job for the US, as long as the politicians can stomach the upset at
home.
Posted by JOHN G on 03-15-2004 01:03 PM:
"i anxiously await
the response from those that don't fully understand."
I don't! LOL.........
Spain caved in immediately, I wish I
knew all the answers....
Kill them all, I agree, but who is "all", when you see those footages
from Iraq, I know this sounds racist, but
they all look the same to me!
China threatened to invade Pakistan, but we DID invade Afghanistan and Iraq, of which I approved, but people
are still being blown up.......
I am depressed over the whole thing....we have to fight them, and yet, it seems
the slimy vermin are everywhere.....it requires a world wide cooperation of
intelligence information.......
I believe that this war at this point must be fought on the Intelligence level,
and result in surgical strikes, similar to some of the ones Israel have used on
various Hamas terrorists.......
and if we don't get cooperation , Intelligence wise, from the rest of the
world, we will have to live with this forever........
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Posted by HookUp on 03-15-2004 01:11 PM:
Alright Now
Yeah, as if alQueda's
going to exempt France and Spain from terrorist acts.
20 years, or was it 30 (am I that old) Spain had it's own terrorist problems. They finally elected a government to
deal with them.
Does France and Spain think they'll be granted amunity
from the terrorists? Nah. The fundamentalists are attacking the way we live,
the freedoms we have, not our language and gov't leaders.
Wait until France or Spain has another attack. Then they'll be screaming for help.
Liberal mentality.
Time for me to go fishing.
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Posted by bobn on 03-15-2004 01:11 PM:
it must be easier for
countries like spain and france to take their rath out on us than
face the problem-
they have taken the side of the terrorists! it is hard to fathom that kind of
logic-
we'll do some anti u.s. thing and maybe they will leave us alone-
well said ray, i agree-
i hate to imagine where we would be if al gore were elected-
bob
Posted by earthworm77 on 03-15-2004 01:37 PM:
My question is
this......why are we so damn politically correct? Why do we care about hurting
other countries feelings whose gov'ts cower in their stand on terrorism? There
is no doubt in my mind that our Gov't knows exactly where Osama and Zarqwari
are, or at least the general area of..... Send an atomic message! If you don't
kill them, it makes a big statement.
Zarqwari- "Osama, perhaps we underestimated the resolve of the US gov't. My turban is glowing"
Osama-"Allah is great, he will protect us"
Zarqwari-"Ummm, supreme leader, Uhhh, Allah is our great savior but
um........my prosthesis has melted"
Osama--"Blaspheme, do not doubt the power of........"
flash of light/explosion problem solved, for now.
General Yamamoto was quoted as saying just after Pearl Harbor....."I hope we didn't awaken a sleeping
giant".....shit was he right about his concern over that.
Let's get this over with. Are we worried that we might have to pay 2.00 for gas
at the pump?....well, we are almost there right now and didn't we just win a
decisive war over there and liberate a country? The world thinks we are war
mongers anyway so if we dropped a few "eggs", we would not surprise
anyone......its a friggin desert anyway, make it a glass parking lot.
I will bet that it would cost us less to nuke the Afgan/Pakistani mountian
region and pay reparations for that than fight a war on terror as we are doing.
Before you worry about the Pakistanis lobbing a nuke our way, the only way that
would happen is if they built a really big ass sling shot, they don't have an
adequate delivery vehicle, no country wants to legitamately take us on
militarily or economically.
The problem is that there are way to many Jane Fondas in this country who do
not see it in the long term. Great for France for taking a stand....they just got bombed last week by the way and Spain....who will continue to have
problems, good decision. OK, lets drop all of our aid, import/export business
and leave them out of the military loop.....then we will see how they feel
about that stand of theirs. We cannot continue to be bullied around by a small
group of Islamic Militant yahoos. In order to kill the snake, you have to cut
its "f"ing head off or as I suggest, burn it, vaporize it.
We should adopt Chinas policy on terrorism. Hell, hold Pakistan responsible and threaten them. I
bet Osama would magically appear in custody lickety split!
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Posted by Andrew on 03-15-2004 01:40 PM:
Terrorism
Couldn't have said it better Scully. Right on AMERICA. Wish we could go back to being isolationist. We feed the world and help everyone in every disaster. I agree with you ; let them all fend for themselves and see how they will change their attitude. FOOTBALLS
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Posted by Pete L on 03-15-2004 01:50 PM:
quote:
"Kill them all and let god sort them out"
Works for me. Maybe we should start with the UN> Hell - It was already on
the terrorist list!!!!!!!!
Screw France Germany and the rest of them.
They didn`t support us in Iraq ,
untill it came time to hand out the contracts.
I pray there is never another attack anywhere , but if there is I hope it`s in
France. Hell , we had to fly around it when we bombed Libiya.
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Posted by LkHopatcong71 on 03-15-2004 02:11 PM:
The usa has to stop
worrying about other
countries and their people killing each other. We have SO MANY problems in our
own country that have to be dealt with now. We are being too nice to other
countries and going in and helping them.
There would be alot less killing and attacks in the world is the USA stopped BUTTING in and trying to
be a moderator.
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Posted by Lpbassman on 03-15-2004 02:38 PM:
quote:
Originally
posted by earthworm77
We should adopt Chinas policy on terrorism. Hell, hold Pakistan responsible and threaten them. I
bet Osama would magically appear in custody lickety split!
Craig,
Again I have to agree. I have always felt that the Pakistanis are perhaps the
most untrustworthy "ally" the US
has ever had. I beleive "they" know exactly where Osama is hiding and
have done nothing to help bring him to justice. I say nuke the Afghani /
Pakistani mountain region and send them both a bill for beautifying the world.
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Posted by Gary Menchen on 03-15-2004 03:15 PM:
Enough Is Enough
Ray stated MY feelings
100% and Craig added to it.
You DONT give into terrorism or you'll just get more of it.
Those bastards wounded my country and broke my heart. Not a day goes by that I
dont recall the horror of 9-11.
Too many people around the world, (and in our country as well) refuse to learn
from the past. Even a mule will learn after he's been smacked with a 2x4.
God Bless America.
Gary
Posted by Zuke on 03-15-2004 04:11 PM:
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN.
Peace is achieved by victory. It is not and has never been defined by the
avoidance of war. Sadly, war is the inevitable solution. I am of the belief
that we are engaged in WWIII. It will be long, asymmetrical, and mostly quiet,
but just as deadly and dangerous. Nothing less than our very survival as a
culture is at stake. Our enemies do not wish peace, they do not proffer a list
of demands, they desire our death and eradication. They are patient and willing
to die for their cause.
Our peace depends on THEIR death and eradication.
When compared to the alternative, I will gladly pay a bit more/gallon, I will
gladly await security checks, etc. Our sacrifices, in this time of our
country's need, seem small, especially when compared to our parents during
WWII. I, for one, will gladly make them.
If, as a country, we united for this purpose, nothing on earth could withstand
the overwhelming force of our conviction,energy and abilities.
Enough of the doubt and mixed messages. Enough of the divisive talk for
political gain. It is short sighted and foolish. I want my children safe.
Kill the poisonous snake BEFORE it bites. If one awaits the strike, it is too
late. I am saddened by Spain's refusal to see.
Zuke.
Posted by Cast-a-way on 03-15-2004 04:17 PM:
Let's get a few..
things straight. Spain, Germany and France and
most of the world supported us in Afganistan and rightly so. Iraq is another story. When we went
into Iraq because of these imaginary WMD
that were a direct threat to us things changed. We couldn't wait for the United
Nations and went in alone. Now we can't wait for the UN to bail us out of
there. Half of the people in the USA don't think this war against Iraq was justified why should other nations??? I feel lied to about this
WMD B.S. and I'm sure the families of the 565 dead Americans have a few
questions too. We have had 1,400 troops loooking for WMD for a year today. I'm
not holding my breath...The former treasury secretary said they discussed
invading Iraq before 911 even occured and
people shouldn't question what's going on?? We should put our heads in the sand
and listen to faulty intelligence...come on now.
This "Do we really need anyone else" attitude is what got us into
trouble in the first place....of course we need other nations...this is the 21
century. Wouldn't it be better if there were UN troops in Iraq now and other nations sharing the
157 billion it's costing us taxpayers??
This "kill em' all" mob mentality does no good...an eye for an eye
doesn't work. We all want revenge for 911 but guess what, Iraq had nothing to do with it...plain
and simple. Apples and oranges. Misplaced revenge.
Now Bush is launching this huge man hunt for Bin Ladden. Shouldn't we have done
that first?? Get the guy responsible for 911. He's trying to get re-elected and
hopes to pull a rabbit out of the hat.
When Rumsfeld was asked yesterday if the war was worth it he said "of
course...25 million people are free now". So did we go there to liberate a
nation or protect ourselfs from these WMD? Can' t have it both ways. Bush
promised not to nation build...157 billion later we're building a nation.
If we're now in the business of liberating nations we have a long hard road
ahead of us.
I know my potitical views aren't too popular here but I represent alot of
Americans...believe it or not...PEACE
I understand.
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Posted by Scully on 03-15-2004 05:10 PM:
a few questions myself.....
Cast-a-way.
The Clinton administartion agreed there were
WMD in Iraq. France and Germany as late as
one month prior to the invasion of Iraq also believed there were WMD in
Iraq...begging Sadam Hussein to "come clean" before it was to late.
The UN in resolution 1440 beleived there were WMD in Iraq and sent in weapons
inspectors to see if Iraq was in compliance. Saddam misled those inspectors at
every turn. If there were no WMD....what was Sadam hideing? I suppose that was
a coal fusion reactor Isriael bomed in the 80's. And what were of all those Iran and Kurdish men, woman and
children lying dead in funny positions doing....posing for the camera. The
argument that there were no WMD just doesnt hold water. There most CERTAINLY
WAS.
As far as there being 565 dead American Soldiers in Iraq....its their job to put
themselves in "harms way". They are soldiers, thats what they do to
keep this country free. If we waited till the threat was on our door step there
would be many more 9/11 and Pearl Harbors. If 565 give their lives to protect
millions, that's what it's all about. The price of freedom does not come
cheaply. I had a cousin Edward Lehrman who died in the 9/11 attack. What would
you have me tell his children?
You say we need to act with the approval of the UN. Can you give me one
instance where that has been effective.......The Congo?, Ethiopia?, Somalia,
Angola, Afghanastan in the 80's, Bosnia, and on and on......The only time the
UN has any power at all is when we are the majority doing everything anyway, so
what the point!!!! Now there are a few countries on the Security council with
agendas that are anti US. Syria....you
have to be kidding.
The French and the Germans ar banking heavily on the Euro-union and all the $$$
that intails. We, the US are now there competitor for
economic growth doing business on an ever increasing world stage. They took all
our money readily in the 50's 60's and 70's to rebuild their post war
economies, now they hope to "strangle" our ability to compete by
placing obstacles in our way. Did you really believe they didnt want us to
invade Iraq for a noble principal such as
peace? How about all the tax payer dollars that have been spent in the name of
Peace? That's worked well hasnt it.
The problem Cast-a-way....is this. In an ideal world Peace works. We are not
living in such a place. Man has been at war in one place or another since the
beginning of time. It's in our blood, it's the nature of the beast. Even Gods
heavenly Angels fought. Have you ever read the old testament? The war of the
Angels makes what's going on now look like childs play. If you know what peace
is kindly give me an example.
Do you honestly believe that if Isriael offered to concede to EVERY point the
Palistinians demanded that their would be peace in the middle east? If you do
then you dont understand your enemy. They want the Isralies DEAD....pure and
simple. Peace is the last thing that Pakistan and India have on their minds. How about Georgia and Russia...think peace is working there. I
bet if you listed all the countries that belonged to the UN, that over 50% of
those countries have experienced a conflict within the past 20 years.
Peace is a nice sounding word. John Lennon asked a generation of Americans to
give peace a chance. We did and ended up with 9/11 for our troubles.
Scully
Posted by Theole34 on 03-15-2004 05:22 PM:
quote:
worrying about other countries and their people killing each other. We have SO MANY problems in our own country that have to be dealt with now. We are being too nice to other countries and going in and helping them.
the first one enters....
quote:
We have SO MANY problems in our own country
yes, yes we do. many of those are dealing with people that
arrived from other countries with nothing more than the clothes on their back..
if that. we clothe, feed and house the people that arrive. we then provide free
attorneys to help them gain citizenship. then we give tax breaks to help them
start their own business. we give their children schooling and free
citizenship.
this is what our country was born from, and how it grows. i would say we are a
country of ALL, and therefore should help defend ALL. we are the superpower
that was born and based on democracy.
quote:
We are being too nice to other countries and going in and helping them.
if you want to wait here for the chaos to spread and get big enough.. go ahead.
i believe in eradicating the problem before it infests itself EVERYWHERE. i
really don't feel we should wait to see how big these madmen can build their
armies before they turn on us.
if you truly believe we should sit around and wait for them to come to us...
vote it that way. that is your right. i guess I'll just have to fight them when
they get here.... unless everyone votes that i can't.
PS - i probably would ignore the last order.
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Posted by Cast-a-way on 03-15-2004 05:30 PM:
Yes. they
HAD WMD. No one disputes
that..even me. However, did all those weapons get destroyed by the first team
of UN inspectors? That's what Sadaam's son-in law said when he defected.
Sadaam called Bush's bluff and Bush called Sadaam's bluff and they both had no
hand. That's what happened. Now we're holding the bag.
I commend and know that soldiers are doing what they do for us as a
nation...but did we put them in harms way for a good enough reason this time??
Not to me.
Yes, the UN needs tweaking but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
The UN does far more good than bad.
Yes, man has been fighting since the begining. So do we go with the flow or try
to evolve as a people and try to avoid war at all costs. Or do we follow China's lead and build a wall around
each country.
When you the biggest guy on the block swinging the biggest stick you must be
VERY careful if and when you swing it. Everyone's watching.
Lennon was right.
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Posted by earthworm77 on 03-15-2004 06:07 PM:
Don't be so naive to think that just because we have not found WMD's, there aren't any. It's a big desert and there are too many untrustworthy countries that would love to do the US harm. They hate everything about us but mostly because we have not converted our population to the Islamic faith. Enough plutonium to kill 200,000 people can fit into a contact lens. 1 pint of the stuff could eradicate NYC. Think about it, there is a reason we are over there and last time I checked the pumps, it wasn't oil!
quote:
Or do we follow China's lead and build a wall around each country.
You know what, nobody "F"'s with China, so that is a good idea to mull over.
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Posted by Jimmy on 03-15-2004 06:17 PM:
Scully,
You have my vote for president!
Jimmy
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Posted by Cast-a-way on 03-16-2004 07:51 AM:
quote:
Originally
posted by earthworm77
Don't be so naive to think that just because we have not found WMD's, there
aren't any. It's a big desert and there are too many untrustworthy countries
that would love to do the US harm. They hate everything about us but mostly because we
have not converted our population to the Islamic faith. Enough plutonium to
kill 200,000 people can fit into a contact lens. 1 pint of the stuff could
eradicate NYC. Think about it, there is a reason we are over there and last
time I checked the pumps, it wasn't oil!
You know what, nobody "F"'s with China, so that is a good idea to mull
over.
Naive...please. If they hate us sooo much and had these weapons why didn't they
use them?????? There should be about 1/2 a million guys willing to use them.
Didn't happen because they don't exist anymore. We learned a lesson the hard
way.
Believe it or not, not all muslims hate us. Some actually have wifes and kids
and want the best for them just like me and you. Let's try not to stero-type
people because their have different beliefs than us.
Follow China's lead??? No thanks. If you
follow their ideas there goes your business..not allowed in a Communist country.
I think the saying is "better dead than red".
The people in Germany can tell you all about walls...
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Posted by Mike H on 03-16-2004 08:16 AM:
Good posts Scully and
earthy.............
You can't appease antagonists,you need to eliminate
them.
Draconian measures will need to be taken,I
just hope it won't be too late.
Posted by Gary Menchen on 03-16-2004 08:30 AM:
Enough is Enough
For Cast-a-Way:
"Lennon was right"
Imagine NO POSSESSIONS?
Imagine NO GOD ABOVE US?
Do you really believe this kind of thinking?
Sounds communistist to me. Sounds like a fairy tale. No reallity at all. Lennon
and his wacko wife are examples of the problem today and not the solution.
Gary
Posted by Pugs on 03-16-2004 09:16 AM:
I agree with all of you
to some extent.
I appreciate those on the board who have served and those who continue to
protect our homes.
Thank you.
I also appreciate the voice that calls for peace and compassion.
Thank you.
There are no easy answers to any of this.
Pug
Posted by Lpbassman on 03-16-2004 09:20 AM:
Cast-a-way,
Do you actually beleive for a minute that the WMD'S no longer exist. Saddam had
more than ample time to export those WMD's to a country like Syria for safe keeping and future use
against the infadel Americans.
Do not be too surprised if when we get a bit closer to election time that those
WMD's are found. While it may not be the most ethical way of doing things, if
Geroge Bush can use that as a means to justify the invasion of Iraq and get re-elected then more
power to him. I, for one, have never doubted that the WMD's existed and whether
or not they are "still" hidden in Iraq is a mute point. If we had not invaded or threatened to, I'll bet
they'd still be there in massive quantities.
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Posted by Theole34 on 03-16-2004 09:47 AM:
anything nuclear oriented
is waaaaay out of the question. we really don't need anymore alteration of our
entire planet to eradicate a handful of schmucks.
conventional arms... H.E. and W.P. are my favorite. utilize air and ground
forces to our benefit. utilize sweeps and blocks. 600 servicemen dead in one
year in active combat... and a few of those would be a stretch.. i could
explain that part further. the ratio is small (although one is too many.)
we the USA cannot sit by and watch a region
implode.
we the USA cannot allow another country to
harbor fugitives that have and are threatening to harm our people at home and
abroad.
we the USA must respond strong and swift to
the threat of "jihad" and similar acts of war.
we the USA cannot stand by and watch
countries obliterate other countries.
we the USA can't wait for an attack on US soil. in most foreign countries the population is
armed to protect themselves. in the US
the general population couldn't defend their home from an unarmed intruder.
most countries allow assault weapons to be owned... not the US -- we heavily regulate it here. be careful. be
thankful there is a military in place, and that the military is being used to
address problems abroad.
cast away ---
quote:
So did we go there to liberate a nation or protect our selfs from these WMD? Can' t have it both ways.
why not?? we can't move to protect ourselves and liberate the oppressed at the
same time? i don't follow. multiple agenda. i belv we can do both. if the hands
were freed from the bureaucracy at home they could do much more. so, why can't
we have it both ways??
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Posted by bobn on 03-16-2004 09:51 AM:
the wmd may very well be
the people or the terrorists themselves-there doesn't seem to be any way to
negotiate with, reason with or appease these people-
they have one mindset and that is to destroy the infidel-
bush's proactive approach has probably saved tens of thousands of american
lives right here in the good ole usa-had they been allowed to continue their
subversive operations without intervention only god knows what would have
happened!-
hail to the chief and god bless!
bob
Posted by Theole34 on 03-16-2004 09:52 AM:
i
would love to pose a question for all involved here..
what should the US policy be if a country the size
of Rhodie island and a country the size of NJ are engaged in a nuclear arms
race... the two countries prove they have nuclear arms and are threatening to
use them on each other. what now boys and girls? is it far enough away, or is
it close enough to act?
this is not a dreamt (sp?) up scenario.. it is a current affair India vs. Pakistan
quote:
bush's proactive approach has probably saved tens of thousands of American lives right here in the good ole usa-had they been allowed to continue their subversive operations without intervention only god knows what would have happened!-
well said bob
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Posted by bobn on 03-16-2004 09:56 AM:
the world is to small a
place not to worry-9/11 proved that-
bob
Posted by Gene on 03-16-2004 11:26 AM:
Theole34
An interesting twist to
your India-vs-Pakistan scenario is that a lot of them believe in
re-incarnation.
If I had been president, there would have been at least a half dozen puddles of
molten glass in the desert on Sept. 12, 2001.
These are not Russian Orthodox that took a theater full of hostages in Moscow. It wasn't Seventh Day Adventists
that bombed the night club in Bali. The
bombings in Kashmir are not being carried out by the Church of Latter Day Saints. The Vatican did not order the bombings in Spain...and the list goes on. Only one
"religion" has been responsible for these acts and they were commited
in the name of that "religion."
It is high time that we started acting like the super power that we are. No
more of this nonsense of sending in our youth to help people that are jealous
of our way of life and hate us for it. Pound them into submission, and if they
so much as burp, pound them again. As was said earlier on this thread, 'Kill
them all and let God sort 'em out!'
Remember, WE are the ones that were attacked by this "religion." It
is now time to wipe them out.
Gene
Posted by Cast-a-way on 03-16-2004 12:13 PM:
Re: Enough is Enough
quote:
Originally
posted by Gary Menchen
For Cast-a-Way: "Lennon was right"
Imagine NO POSSESSIONS?
Imagine NO GOD ABOVE US?
Do you really believe this kind of thinking?
Sounds communistist to me. Sounds like a fairy tale. No reallity at all. Lennon
and his wacko wife are examples of the problem today and not the solution.
Gary
He was right about the "give peace a chance"...that's what I believe.
Lennon a wacko???..
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Posted by bobn on 03-16-2004 12:21 PM:
do what black jack pershing did
in order to stop muslim
terrorists in the philippines, they strung up a bunch of terrorists for
execution over an open pit filled with pigs guts-the soldiers then rubbed their
bullets in the pigs blood and shot all but one terrorist-he was allowed to
watch while his buddies were buried in the guts and covered over-he was then
allowed to "escape" and go back and tell the rest what had happened-
you see, a muslim cannot get into heaven if touched by swine even if a so
called martyr-they say there was peace in the philippines for the next 50
years-
sounds like a plan to me-
start splattering these bastards with bombs and pig guts-
where is gen black jack pershing when you need him?
bob
Posted by Cast-a-way on 03-16-2004 12:25 PM:
quote:
Originally
posted by Lpbassman
Cast-a-way,
Do you actually beleive for a minute that the WMD'S no longer exist. Saddam had
more than ample time to export those WMD's to a country like Syria for safe keeping and future use
against the infadel Americans.
Do not be too surprised if when we get a bit closer to election time that those
WMD's are found. While it may not be the most ethical way of doing things, if
Geroge Bush can use that as a means to justify the invasion of Iraq and get re-elected then more
power to him. I, for one, have never doubted that the WMD's existed and whether
or not they are "still" hidden in Iraq is a mute point. If we had not
invaded or threatened to, I'll bet they'd still be there in massive quantities.
Leigh...our own inspectors don't think they exist. 1,400 troops looking for a
year and they can't find them. You would think someone would come foward by now
if they knew something. I don't get this stuff about him hiding them. If he had
them why didn't he use them??? Why make them to hide them?? I don't get it.
These nuts are more than willing.
I think they may find something before the election... but where they come from
may be another story.
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Posted by largemouth on 03-16-2004 12:25 PM:
Get Arafat!
How about this plan? Kill
Arafat. Then when all the Terrorist parade in the street with his coffin
beating their chest with chains, drop a freaken bomb on the whole bunch.
Sounds so simple, maybe it could work!
Posted by NO LUCK on 03-16-2004 12:28 PM:
I got an idea...LETS
ELECT KERRY...he's got it all fiqured out ...
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Posted by Cast-a-way on 03-16-2004 12:39 PM:
quote:
Originally
posted by Theole34
anything nuclear oriented is waaaaay out of the question. we really don't
need anymore alteration of our entire planet to eradicate a handful of
schmucks.
conventional arms... H.E. and W.P. are my favorite. utilize air and ground
forces to our benefit. utilize sweeps and blocks. 600 servicemen dead in one
year in active combat... and a few of those would be a stretch.. i could
explain that part further. the ratio is small (although one is too many.)
we the USA cannot sit by and watch a region implode.
we the USA cannot allow another country to harbor fugitives that have and are
threatening to harm our people at home and abroad.
we the USA must respond strong and swift to the threat of "jihad" and
similar acts of war.
we the USA cannot stand by and watch countries obliterate other countries.
we the USA can't wait for an attack on US soil. in most foreign countries the
population is armed to protect themselves. in the US the general population
couldn't defend their home from an unarmed intruder. most countries allow
assault weapons to be owned... not the US -- we heavily regulate it here. be
careful. be thankful there is a military in place, and that the military is
being used to address problems abroad.
cast away ---
why not?? we can't move to protect ourselves and liberate the oppressed at the
same time? i don't follow. multiple agenda. i belv we can do both. if the hands
were freed from the bureaucracy at home they could do much more. so, why can't
we have it both ways??
Rob..you can't have it both ways because we were told by our President that
Iraq possed a threat to us with their nuclear "ambitions" , WMD and
could attack in 40 mins.. and that's why went to war.
Chaney though they would greet us with open arms and parades in the
streets...guess not. These guys are sitting duck now.
Rob...do you really think we need assault weapons?
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Posted by Bass Rat on 03-16-2004 01:35 PM:
I love these political threads
We should keep the
subject matter limited A$$ & Bass.
IMHO
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Posted by Scott E. on 03-16-2004 01:47 PM:
George,
Saddam was a master of hiding when he was in trouble, he believed in running to
fight another day, remember that is how he got into power. The WMDs were his
most prized weapon he wouldn't have used them unless he knew he was going to
win.
Remember the first Gulf War, he sent his fighter jets to Iran, so why not send
the WMDs to Syria or bury them for use another day when his odds would be much
better.
Ask those that have come home from Iraq injured if they would do it again, I'm
sure most would not regret being there to keep you and your family safe from
the likes of Saddam and his sons.
I suppose you will vote for John Kerry, a democrat that instead of being
drafted and fighting the war, he went to college and demonstrated against the
Veitnam War, very undemocrat like, since they are suppose to be for the blue
collar guy, the little guy who's not rich enough to buy his way out of the
draft.
I'll probably vote for Bush, I am not crazy for many of his policies, but I say
let him finish what he started before allowing some liberal get in there and
screwing it up again.
PS: To those who think dropping a nuke in the Mideast is a good idea, listen to
Robbie, conventional weapons is the way to go, I don't want to end up with the
after effects here of a nuke being dropped there.
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Posted by Pete L on 03-16-2004 02:00 PM:
quote:
we were told by our President that Iraq possed a threat to us with their nuclear "ambitions" ,
We were told the same thing by Kerry , Kennedy and whats his name , the guy
from Vermont.
Untill we actually did something about it!!!!!!
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Posted by Lpbassman on 03-16-2004 02:02 PM:
Scott,
I would agree that dropping a nuke on the Middle East would create more
problems than those we solve by doing so. Perhaps we could just poison them
all. LOL
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Posted by Cast-a-way on 03-16-2004 02:06 PM:
Scot...I don't buy the
hide for another day argument. He knew his days were numbered and there wouldn't
be another day this time. I'm also sure some of those guys who got injured
there are second guessing things now.
Military records...Bush joined the reserves and was MIA for 8mths. He was let
out early and allowed to work for a political campain.
Kerry (the wimpy democrat) voluntered to fight in Nam and won 3 PURPLE HEARTS.
He even took a bullet. He is a true American patriot, not one who dresses up in
fighter piolet outfits and lands on an air craft carrier under a banner that
declares "Mission Accomplished". That was last May. I guess the
mission isn't accomplished. What a joke.
Military Record....Bush can't even prove he served his full committment. The
Doonsbury author is offering a MILLION dollars to anyone who could prove Bush
went to Alabama to complete his duty...he still has his million dollars.
I don't think Bush wants to run on his personal military record...
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Posted by LkHopatcong71 on 03-16-2004 02:38 PM:
I also believe..
that the WMD will be
found before the election to give Bush a jump in ratings.. Where they will come
I dont know..
At least someone could have planted something to make it look like we found
them.
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Posted by Greg Hill on 03-16-2004 04:57 PM:
I agree with Scul that
neither Bush or Kerry are a prize.I cant imagine myself voting for Bush but
willingly admit that Kerry is phoney as a $3 bill.I didnt like the idea of Iraq
and still dont,so when i see Kerry jumping down the Presidents throat over the
way "he" has conducted this war,I want to attack him with a Louiville
slugger.If a member of Congress voted to give him the power to go, without
asking him whatever they might need to know first,they should absolutly shut
the @&%$ up about it now. This, we only voted to give him the leverage he
needed BS is beyond weak. His (Kerry's)other argument,He mislead us is also a
silly argument coming from anyone who voted yea to give him the power to
go.Since I didnt believe a word of the Presidents various reasons to begin
with,I'm forced to believe Kerry,is, by his own admission of being mislead a
moron.That last statement is not intended as an insult to those who still
believe the President was and still is telling the truth.I dont think I am
wrong about Iraq,but over the years I have on occasion been absolutly shocked
to find I was wrong about strongly held beliefs.
Scul,I havent heard from you in a while and devoutly hope you are well and
itching to break out the hypertails. Greg
Posted by earthworm77 on 03-16-2004 06:52 PM:
George peace went out the
window on 9-11.
It was a numbing experience for all of us. Pearl Harbor 2. Violent statements
can only be met with Violent responses.
I got snapped back into reality quick when I was in Staten Island picking
through the wreckage. After I found 1/2 a skull among other bones and parts, I
decided that retribution and vengence must be met swiftly. Of course most
people saw the aftermath on TV or with a Pilgramage to the site(it was the
"in" thing to do), some of us lived it and it will forever scar our
souls. The one thing that kept me going was a small stretch of the West Side
Hwy where for about 6 months there was a contingent of people that cheered
rescue workers on 24 hrs a day. It was like the Canyon of Heroes with sometimes
100's of people. I got choked up more than once and sometimes went there only
to get myself focussed. That little praise lifted spirits and kept many guys
besides myself going. We knew what the big picture was all about.
Isolationism doesn't work, but threaten to beat the holy "F" out of
countries might. A strong and decisive show of force was and still is
necessary. As much as I hate to admit it, eradication of these extremists is
the only way.
It is like this.....one night I was working in Harlem and I responded to a job
of a man stabbed. As I was going up the stairs, the stabber was coming down. I
saw the knife, he saw the gun. He backed down, I was about a nano sceond away
from being his ticket to the pearly gates........he realized instantly that you
don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
The USA should adopt this diplomacy and either go balls to the wall to
eradicate the same people who have waged a "Holy" war on non
believing heathen or leave. Put up or Shut Up! Live by it. Let's get this over
with once and for all.
Al Queda isn't that smart. Imagine if the did not target countries that refused
to oppose them with military strength. They might get a little pity. But truth
be told they are ruthless shitbags that would just assume kill babies of
Judiasm and Christianity than all non Islamic worshippers. You can go on and
ignore it but it won't go away. By the way, the NYPD just sized me up for a
chemical suit and heavy duty gas mask. Doesn't that tell you that the shit
might be expected to hit the fan in the near future....if you ignore it or not,
at least be prepared.
Obviously do not become a communist country but adopting the policy of putting
pressure on a tangable elemnet to do some of the dirty work is a viable and
smart decision. OK, Pakistan, dedicate yourself to finding these murderers or
perhaps we will hold you responsible for failure.
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Posted by Jimmy on 03-16-2004 07:06 PM:
Craig, I agree with some of your statements but these countries like Pakistan and Syria would only give us little pieces of information just to make it look like there trying hard to help us.
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Posted by Nick A on 03-16-2004 07:45 PM:
What a mess!
Long before 9-11, per
Paul O'Neil, Bush and Cheney were divying up Iraq for the oil companies. Let's
face it, before Iraq invaded Kuwait, Saddam was our main man in the region. He
was our ally against Iran. Didn't you ever see the photo of a smiling Rumsfeld
and Saddam together? During the Regan and early Bush I years, Saddam was frying
the same type and number of poor souls that he fried in the nineties. The
minute Saddam went for the oil, he becomes an abomination.
This is why I say that the Iraq war was and is a con job on the American
people. We are paying 100 billion for nation building, to a country that had
nothing to do with 9-11 and where most of the people want us out now.
Per Powell, Iraq under Saddam was a threat to it's neighbors. Well, why what
aren't the neighbors helping out? Why doesn't Saudi Arabia send in 50,000 peace
keeping troops or even assist with police training?
And I am not a pacifist. We need to go after and eliminate the radical islamic
fundamentalists. If this means invading Pakistan and Iran, so be it. We need to
force Saudi Arabia to close the radical islamic fundamentalist training
schools. Like a cancer, this radical movement is spreading all over the world.
There are even more radical islamic factions in southeast asia than in the
mid-east.
Even if OBL is killed or captured, the USA and world threat remains. Before
they kill us, the radicals need to be sought out and wiped out.
Nick A
Posted by JOHN G on 03-16-2004 08:32 PM:
Nicky, I quote you:
"There are even more radical islamic factions in southeast asia than in the
mid-east.
Even if OBL is killed or captured, the USA and world threat remains. Before they kill us, the radicals need to
be sought out and wiped out."
Go back to my original reply , second to all of this mess and you will see that
I said at the outset that it requires a world wide cooperation in intelligence
information......
it is sad that we can't give peace a chance, because a Radical Islamist will
never settle for it.....
our differences are really in how we go about doing it.....
we are not really that far apart in our thought.....
with that, I close the thread, even though we do not want these type of
political discussions on here, I let this one go on for 2 days and a lot of
steam was let out, but that is it, sorry....it will be closed, not deleted, so
you can re-read it.....
Please do not start up the thread in a new version!!!
I thank you, and respect everyone's views......
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