Posted by hvbassmaster on 2002 AM:
We have a Clone!?!
It is scarry times that
we live in but now I guess Ted Williams son can make millions now selling his
poor dead Dad's DNA!
This was taken off of CNN.com 12/27/2002
HOLLYWOOD, Florida (CNN) -- A group thought to be trying to clone a human
announced on Friday the birth of a cloned baby girl named Eve.
The group said the child was born Thursday in an unnamed country.
If true, the birth would be the first ever human clone. Brigitte Boisselier,
scientific director of Clonaid, made the announcement at a news conference and
has arranged for a physicist named Michael Guillen, science correspondent for
ABC News to independently verify the claim.
Boisselier offered no immediate proof of her claim -- or photographs of the
baby. She said the baby is healthy, and that the whole family is "very
happy." She also said the baby's grandmother thinks she looks just like
her mother.
She says the baby will go home in three days, and an independent expert will take
DNA samples from the baby to prove she had been cloned. Those results are
expected within a week after the testing.
Clonaid was founded by a religious movement called the Raelians, the doctrine
of which asserts that life on Earth was created by extraterrestrials.
Boisselier had told a congressional committee last year that she believed she
had the knowledge to produce a human clone in the near future.
Clonaid, which calls itself the "first human cloning company," was
founded in 1997. Boisselier is a bishop in the Raelian movement."
Claude Vorilhon, who founded the Raelians, told CNN in July 2001 that the
long-term goal for human cloning is to live forever. Vorilhon says cloning a
baby is only the first step: Eventually the group wants to learn how to clone
an adult, then "transfer the brain to the clone."
Boisselier says the immediate purpose for cloning is to help infertile couples.
Last November, she told CNN she was "indeed doing human cloned embryos and
we have many cell divisions," but she wouldn't confirm any pregnancies.
No data released
To make a clone, scientists first take an egg and remove all of its genetic
material. Then the nucleus of a cell -- any cell in the body -- is taken from
the individual to be cloned and inserted into the hollowed-out egg.
The cell is then given a jolt of electricity or put in a chemical bath to
activate cell division -- essentially tricking the cell into doing what a
fertilized egg would normally do. Then the embryo is implanted into a woman's
uterus to be carried to term.
It is unknown which exact procedure -- if any -- Clonaid used, because it has
not published or released any data about its research.
Boisselier has not revealed the location of her current lab, only to say it is
no longer in the United
States. She used to
have a lab in West
Virginia, but the
U.S. Food and Drug Administration visited the lab and shut it down.
Scientists so far have successfully cloned sheep, cows, goats, mice, pigs and a
rare wild ox. But human cloning is controversial, because the experience with
animal cloning has shown a lot of potential for things to go wrong.
'One shouldn't do this'
Many animal cloners -- including Ian Wilmut, the Scottish researcher who
successfully cloned the first animal, Dolly the sheep, in 1997 -- disapprove of
human cloning. Wilmut has said it took 276 failed attempts before Dolly was
successfully cloned.
"It is not responsible at this stage to even consider the cloning of
humans, " said Rudolf Jaenisch, a biologist at MIT's Whitehead Institute
for Biological Research, which clones mice.
Janeisch said that even if a human clone appears healthy, it may not be once it
gets older. Cloning a human at this point, he said, without knowing more about
why things go wrong, is "essentially using humans as guinea pigs, and one
shouldn't do this."
According to Dr. Jon Hill, a veterinarian who successfully cloned cows at Texas A&M University, even clones who appear normal at
birth often develop problems afterward.
"Their livers, their lungs, their heart, their blood vessels are often
abnormal after birth," Hill said.
Few legal prohibitions
The Raelians are not the only group claiming to actively try to clone a human.
Italian doctor Severino Antinori made several announcements in recent months,
claiming that a woman was carrying a human clone that would be born in January
2003. And former University of Kentucky professor Panos Zavos has also
announced plans to clone a human, but he told CNN earlier this year he had not
successfully created an embryo yet.
Scientists and bioethicists have questioned whether any of these groups have
the ability to clone a human. Art Caplan, director of the Center for Bioethics
at the University of Pennsylvania, has said in the past that
"we don't know how" to accomplish human cloning.
Legally, there's very little to stop scientists from cloning. In January, the
National Academy of Sciences recommended a ban on human cloning, but only four
states -- California, Michigan, Louisiana and Rhode Island -- ban any type of
cloning research.
The FDA claims it has jurisdiction over human cloning based on the Public
Health Service and Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act. It says it would regulate the
cloning process like a drug.
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Posted by Gregg on 2002 AM:
I think they just opened Pandora's box
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Posted by bobn on 2002 AM:
i don't think the world needs another hitler, jeffrey daumer, charles manson etc--bobn--12/27--11:25am
Posted by Rob J in WNY on 2002 PM:
Make enough clones of
John G, and think of the sharp increase in mustard polo shirt sales. We could
be onto something here. 
Tight Lines...
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Posted by Bassin Dude on 2002 PM:
quote:
Originally
posted by Rob J in WNY
Make enough clones of John G, and think of the sharp increase in mustard
polo shirt sales. We could be onto something here.
Tight Lines...
ROTFLMAO!
The Attack of The Mustard Clones!
Direct to vhs I'm sure
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Posted by mikeD in NYC on 2002 PM:
one johnG is enough,
please!...word is that "easter egg shades" are in for the spring so
the last thing we need is hundreds of johnG's screwing things up in the fashion
world with that damn mustard polo!... john should try a nice moss green or creamsicle
orange for good luck next year... then we can have a crew of fashionable johnG
clones on mahopac to finally crack the deep water smallie bite!
ok...i think i got a bit too esoteric here...sorry... i just get so riled up
when it comes to that damn mustard polo short!
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Posted by Gregg on 2002 PM:
quote:
'One
shouldn't do this'
Many animal cloners -- including Ian Wilmut, the Scottish researcher who
successfully cloned the first animal, Dolly the sheep, in 1997 -- disapprove of
human cloning. Wilmut has said it took 276 failed attempts before Dolly was
successfully cloned.
You will have the same trail and error period with cloning humans.
What do you do with the "errors?" Are they humans with human right’s
or just science experiments gone bad? I’m sure no one mind “disposing” of an
error goat but now we are talking humans. And if you say it’s just a science
experiments and they succeed is it then a human?
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Posted by GANGGREEN on 2002 AM:
I'm with you Gregg.
I'm not an overtly religious person but I have a hard time believing that any God could ever approve of this. Heck, even if there weren't a God, I can't imagine that mankind would approve of this. This is not good.
Posted by JOHN G on 2002 AM:
"Esoteric"?
Love those kind of words! LOL....
okay, you guys had your fun, but next fishing season, it is ATTack of the CLONE
army.......thousands of mustard shirted fishermen descending upon your lake to
clean it out, each one keeping 5 fat healthy legal fish! HAHAHHA.....
Gregg brought up a good point...the issue of "errors" is shown rather
vividly in Aliens3 when Siguourney Weaver gets a glimpse of all the mistakes
made in the process of cloning her....it is not a pretty sight......
JOHN G
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Posted by Bass Rat on 2002 AM:
quote:
Originally
posted by bobn
i don't think the world needs another hitler, jeffrey daumer, charles manson
etc--bobn--12/27--11:25am
But what if you could clone: Jesus, Einstein, Budah, or other great minds.
Personally I think this is a very volitile subject and should probably be left
off a fishing site. IMHO
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Posted by Kenny C on 2002 AM:
Yeah, if you want to
clone something make it a 10 lb. Bass !!!
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