Posted by thefishingline on 01-05-2004 04:40 PM:
Sportfishing & Outdoor Expo at the Nassau Coliseum CANCELLED!
The Sportfishing & Outdoor Expo at the Nassau Coliseum for the end of January has been CANCELLED.
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Posted by mikeD in NYC on 01-05-2004 04:42 PM:
why rich?...what's the story?
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Posted by Lpbassman on 01-05-2004 08:05 PM:
Yup,
Vinnie M told us that at the NY Boat show/??????????
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Posted by Bass Rat on 01-05-2004 08:43 PM:
it sucked anyway!
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Posted by earthworm77 on 01-05-2004 11:05 PM:
True Dat!
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Posted by Woody on 01-05-2004 11:30 PM:
No Offense Rich
But that was by far the lamest show I ever had the pleasure of attending.
Highlights....Meeting Earthy and Theole and Pat's presentation a few years back.
No loss IMHO
Bring on Rockland
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Posted by tubeking on 01-06-2004 12:36 AM:
why was it cancelled.i heard it sucked thats y i never went
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Posted by Bass Rat on 01-06-2004 06:55 AM:
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why was it cancelled.i heard it sucked thats y i never went
You heard right. Maybe they should of taken a tip and got LPbassman aka OJ- to promo that lame ass expo.
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Posted by thefishingline on 01-06-2004 08:31 AM:
The show was geared more to saltwater...since it IS on an island and the Rockland show IS geared hard core freshwater because of its location.
People seem to blame promoters OF ANY SHOW for things they cannot control...PARKING!!!! You pay $7 to park and $12 to walk in the door...you're already in a bad mood...again not any promoter's fault...you can’t expect free admission to anything anymore...can you?
It was a show we enjoyed on the Island and wouldn't expect many sweetwater guys or gals to make the trip down Island for it.
We live with the cards we are dealt and living in Nassau County...one of the most corrupt in the world...the parking fees are insane...the union dealings to move in and out are ridiculous and the dungeon itself is depressing.
Just ask Leigh about unions...the parking in NYC near Javitts...regular day $25...Javitts event $60!!
We do not have many forums to use on Long Island, the college field houses are not large enough and there is no where else to hold a show of this size with large campers and boats...that is central to parkways and highways.
It is what it is and it is something to do in January!
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Posted by Bass Rat on 01-06-2004 08:36 AM:
The one at SCC last year was just as good as the collosium show. The Nassau show seemed to be cluttered with charter trips and Hunting guides.
Rich, Are you saying this show got canned because of parking fees?
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Posted by thefishingline on 01-06-2004 09:16 AM:
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Originally posted by Bass Rat
The one at SCC last year was just as good as the collosium show. The Nassau show seemed to be cluttered with charter trips and Hunting guides.
Rich, Are you saying this show got canned because of parking fees?
The SCC show was overloaded with boats and RV's and even less tackle shops etc than the Coliseum Show. The shows on Long Island are loaded with charter captains for saltwater because it has always had a saltwater/hunting slant to it...just as Rockland has a freshwater/hunting slant to it and they all have their share of slice and dice booths as well.
There is a very long story as to why the coliseum show was cancelled, it had nothing to do with parking or the original promoter.
A very long and seedy story of which I cannot go into at this particular time. I was only saying that many who attended the Coliseum Show did not like it because of the parking and admission fees, which when combined is nearly $20 and you haven't even bought anything yet.
When the time is right, I may be able to get into the details of what happened, but not at this time.
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Posted by Bass Rat on 01-06-2004 10:18 AM:
Thanks Rich, I didn't realize the amount of "Cloak & Dagger" stuff behind the sceens of the Outdoor world.
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Posted by thefishingline on 01-06-2004 03:26 PM:
It really is horrible
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Posted by Gregg on 01-06-2004 03:37 PM:
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It is what it is and it is something to do in January!
Not anymore 
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Posted by JPBass on 01-06-2004 07:37 PM:
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Originally posted by thefishingline
you can’t expect free admission to anything anymore...can you?
YOU CAN IF YOU KNOW LEIGH!! WOO HOOO!! 
The problem I had with the Nassau show was there were no exhibitors there. No boats, no electronics, no nothing!
I wouldn't mind spending 20 bucks to have all the top manufacturers of the boating industry's products in the same room at the same time to compare their goods. As a matter of fact I'd consider it a bargain. That just wasn't the case at the last Nassau show.
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Posted by thefishingline on 01-06-2004 08:19 PM:
You are missing the point.... what I am saying is...folks say a show is no good because of parking and the entrance fee and then walk in...in a bad mood. The unions have nothing to do with prices or anything other than mandating to promoters how much manpower will be needed for move in and move out…then slowing down the move in and move out process if they are not happy.
Let’s say for example…the union did a great job with the move in and out one year with 22 workers. Well the following year they tell a promoter they need 29 men to do the same job 22 men did the year before. If the promoter doesn’t cave…the Union is not happy and people move slower…things take longer to get done etc., etc., etc.. It takes a lot of negotiatiing to get this done
I’m not saying this happens every year in every building….anywhere….but this is an example of horror stories promoters of many shows have explained to me.
PLEASE DO NOT turn this into a RJ hates union thread…it is not…some of my best friends are in and run unions (LOL) 
Face it…the coliseum is archaic, POLITICAL…republican (Nassau County), a dinosaur and needs to be torn down. It is politically corrupt...but is the only building large enough to really hold a show other than the Brentwood college and numbers have shown the college is too far east for most to want to travel to.
Manufacturers have cut way, way back on the number of shows they attend over the last decade...and want to attend….and only do the ones in rural areas now with the exception of NY and Atlantic City.
Even the Nassau Coliseum Boat show is not on the par of the NY show and the number of electronic exhibitors is not what it could be at the Coliseum boat show as companies slice and dices their pocketbooks. They just did NYC…why pack everything up and do Long Island?
With the dates of the NY Boat show…and then Atlantic City and then Suffern...these are the shows they choose to do because they only want to do a few in each area of the country and not do too many in any geographic location…so they don’t do too much overlapping of areas…which they consider a waste of money and resources.
While the Coliseum could have been better…it has had very good years in the past as far as manufactures, exhibitors and charter and tackle shops are concerned…some years are better than others…again depending on what companies and manufactures feel like doing and more importantly…spending in the northeast.
If any of you were in this business on a daily basis as I am or know the workings like Leigh or myself do on a daily basis…you would know manufacturers have ALWAYS sold the northeastern region of the US short…by a wide margin…in advertising dollars spent…support of tournaments…and all around mostly ignore this market share at their disposal here.
Most manufactures are located in rural areas, mostly in the Bible and sunbelts…below the Mason Dixon line…and focus large, large portions of their budgets for ads and shows everywhere but in the northeast!
I could go on forever…but
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Posted by Bass Rat on 01-07-2004 06:19 AM:
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You are missing the point.... what I am saying is...folks say a show is no good because of parking and the entrance fee and then walk in...in a bad mood.
Rich, I think your missing the point (respectively). I don't think guys give 2 S$&TS about the 20 or 30 bucks. Bottom line the show sucked. Your talking about people who would drop 2-3 hundred on a rod in a heartbeat. If the show was good the $ would not be an issue. If the show is FREE and still sucked I still wouldn't go. ahhhhhh, I probably would go even if it was 20 bucks and sucked. But I'm like that. LOL
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Posted by Gregg on 01-07-2004 07:18 AM:
Nick's right
I'd pay $20 if the show was good! Rockland isn't much cheaper. Just payed $25 just to park in the city to see the boat show. People will pay if it's a good show.
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Posted by thefishingline on 01-07-2004 08:26 AM:
So????? What makes a show good? Manufacturers? Tackle shops??? Boats??? Electronics?? I just explained the cards we are dealt and why things are the way they are...we can't change them unless....we stop using the products of the companies that do not support the northeast...and I doubt that is ever going to happen.
Untill it does we'll continues to see boat manufacturers and electronics at the NYC...freshwater stuff and hunting at Suffern...saltwater stuff and charters with hunting on Long Island etc, etc, etc.
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Posted by Bass Rat on 01-07-2004 08:56 AM:
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Most manufactures are located in rural areas, mostly in the Bible and sunbelts…below the Mason Dixon line…and focus large, large portions of their budgets for ads and shows everywhere but in the northeast!
They seem to find Rocklans, suffrin & Raritan
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People seem to blame promoters OF ANY SHOW for things they cannot control...PARKING!!!! You pay $7 to park and $12 to walk in the door...you're already in a bad mood...again not any promoter's fault...you can’t expect free admission to anything anymore...can you?
I don't blame promotors for the fees. I blame them cause the show sucked
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So????? What makes a show good? Manufacturers? Tackle shops??? Boats??? Electronics??
Yes. Yes. And yes. And yes, that's the promotors job to get them here.
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Let’s say for example…the union did a great job with the move in and out one year with 22 workers. Well the following year they tell a promoter they need 29 men to do the same job 22 men did the year before. If the promoter doesn’t cave…the Union is not happy and people move slower…things take longer to get done etc., etc., etc.. It takes a lot of negotiatiing to get this done
What does that mean in terms of the show sucking?
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Posted by thefishingline on 01-07-2004 09:26 AM:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bass Rat
[B]They seem to find Rocklans, suffrin & Raritan
Rockland IS Suffren!! When you do Suffren, NYC & Raritan (not a great show by any means)...THANKS...you have answered my point exactly! They have covered a geographic location...no need to spend money to do any more shows like they used to in the 70's & 80's.
If you were in this business you would understand what it is I am trying to say. As a consumer you can only go by what you feel and see.
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Posted by Woody on 01-07-2004 09:52 AM:
Rich
Your argument is a TOTAL joke.
I am a PROUD UNION member of IATSE Local 600 and have shaped and worked as a STAGEHAND Local 1.
Stagehands are the guys who "Do the Load In and Load Out" of that Lame show you are referring to.
Contrary to what you are trying to tell us... those guys DO NOT MAKE ALOT OF MONEY and work mostly on a contractual basis.
The parking issue is ANOTHER joke.
Local Polititicians...Give me a break
You seemed to be VERY involved in the two times I was there so why don't you come clean?
The show SUCKED and people knew it and the ONLY reason I went TWICE was because of NYBass.
I would NEVER step foot in that space again if it were to come back...
The fact was that there were alot of local guys vending... so the rent couldn't have been to high.
It is called competition Rich...The show SUCKED and why would ANYONE go to a show that SUCKED when you can go to several real ones in the Tri-State Area.
You want to talk about Salt and Salt Boats ...Go to Leigh's show and talk all you want.
Want to come on a freshwater board and complain about everything but the Promoter and lack of SUBSTANCE at the show .... Oh yeah...That's right ...It is EVERYONE else's fault.
Some things never change....
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Posted by joe p on 01-07-2004 09:53 AM:
my 02. cents , if I may
IMHO and let me say that I have no connections to any union or the Nassau Coliseum or any pundit whatsoever. Im just the regular guy on the street voicing out my thoughts on this important issue. The Nassau show was cancelled because of low turnout. What does that mean? It means that the show did not cater to most outdoor enthusiasts needs . Long Island is still known as a salt water fishing haven and freshwater stuff is pushed behind the briny water boys. BTW,my Geico insurance agent called. I saved a ton of money on my car insurance.Can you believe that? Now I got enough money to buy those new fandangled Norie's Bug that Basserachi is raving about.I agree with Rich . I certainly wouldnt be happy when I appear at the entrance and paying $20 for parking. How about that Britney Spears and that marriage scam. She married her friend Jason Alexander. My Dad goes,that George Costanza is a lucky guy! Despite high parking /entrance fees, any GOOD show at the Coliseum is going to attract a decent crowd. Nassau County is one of the richest areas in the US. BassRat is right. Its the promoters job to get the right manufacturers that would make the show a hit. Tupperware is a good brand. Thats going to be an instant hit with the ladies. Another sure hit, especially with the Trinidians, would be Daves Calypso Hot Sauce.The only time I thought about going to the Nassau show was when Pat did a seminar on bass fishing.
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Posted by earthworm77 on 01-07-2004 10:06 AM:
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Rich, I think your missing the point (respectively). I don't think guys give 2 S$&TS about the 20 or 30 bucks. Bottom line the show sucked.
Nicky, agreed, if a shows content is lacking as the Nassau show has been, guys don't go to it. Look at the guys who make the pilgrimage to Rockland every year.....usually the same stuff but worth it. Maybe Leigh should put Nassau together since he can attract the big names like Hannon.
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Posted by bass 64 on 01-07-2004 12:16 PM:
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Originally posted by Bass Rat
Rich, What part of "Sucks" don't you understand?
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Posted by thefishingline on 01-07-2004 12:18 PM:
I understand plenty!!
Sounds to me if you go with a half empty approach, which I get the impresison you do...then your comments woulldn't be anything but what you've said.
If you go with a half full approach as I do...and I have fun at the show...then you can see some value in the show and there are plenty of bargains to be had...
Again it is a saltwater show and you, from what I've seen of your posts on these boards...are mostly a feshwater fisherman...therefore you don't see much value in the show other than just walking around.
It is a small show and the venue really can dictate what ends up in a show.
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Posted by Bass Rat on 01-07-2004 01:21 PM:
Rich, I'm sorry you feel I come across with a half empty approach. But, that's just not true. But based on my readings of your posts I know you never concede to the possibilty of being wrong. I was telling you how I felt about the show as a customer. But rather then take my opinion (as part of the target demographic) you choose to dismiss it and attribute the loss of the show as some Union/Political mess. So being that you and I will never see eye to eye on this, please let me respond to your original post.
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Sportfishing & Outdoor Expo at the Nassau Coliseum CANCELLED!
Good.
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Posted by thefishingline on 01-07-2004 01:21 PM:
Whose angry? The show as many others are...can be dogs one year, have a few good years, then an off year. It is all in how you look at it...as I pointed out.
What I found nice about the show he didn't...but everyone has something different they look at that makes it good or bad. I happen to disagree with him and he with me...what else is new
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Posted by thefishingline on 01-07-2004 01:30 PM:
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Originally posted by Bass Rat
But based on my readings of your posts I know you never concede to the possibilty of being wrong. I was telling you how I felt about the show as a customer. But rather then take my opinion (as part of the target demographic) you choose to dismiss it and attribute the loss of the show as some Union/Political mess. So being that you and I will never see eye to eye on this, please let me respond to your original post.
Good.
Nick
Wrong! You missed the point of the entire exchange of ideas. No one blamed it on unions and politics...but they do have a BIG part in any show that takes place in the Nassau Coliseum, thus many comapnies prefer Suffern, etc, because there are no unions and they can move their own stuff when they please in a fraction of the time and be set up in no time.
As a consumer you have no idea what it takes to put on a show, what goes into a show and all these factors contribute to whether companies want to come or not and all contribute to the show's success or failure far beyond your grasp grasshopper
P.S...I'm done on this one...next subject!
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Posted by earthworm77 on 01-07-2004 01:30 PM:
Nick, all kidding aside, you bring up the most logical point. From a consumers standpoint, if the show is not attractive, the consumer will stay home.
I know many of the people who own fishing related businesses that did the show in the past, I can't say that I remember hearing anything spectacular about it from them, either businesswise or the layout and traffic. Historically it is not one of the better shows. I worked it one year with Mr. B's. I did extremely well but account that to a few things:
A-Many people came there to see me and Pat
B-LI home grown business
C-I was only one of three freshwater oriented venders. Funny thing was I sold a ton of 6" soft jerks to the striper crowd.
Rich the bottom line here is dollars. Maybe business needs to listen to the consumer. Generally I've noticed that this show was a bargain bin dumping ground. There is nothing revolutionary going on about selling last years goods. As a consumer, why should he care what effort goes into putting the show together, he is there to get products to make him more effective. You take that guesswork out of the equation for him. Hr just wants to go to a good show.
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Posted by Bass Rat on 01-07-2004 02:09 PM:
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As a consumer, why should he care what effort goes into putting the show together
So there are some people "In the Buisness" that understand the consumer...........
Thank you Craig.
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Posted by Kenny C on 01-07-2004 05:57 PM:
As a Union Vice President!!!
I take offense that you would bring up as a factor in the cancellation of the Nassau Show that Union Members are on the job!!! You would rather break the backs of unorganized labor and be able to threaten them with losing their jobs if they don't meet some unreal quota set by some fat cat who has no clue what a job really takes to accomplish safely and professionally!!! You say we don't know what it takes to put on a show. What the hell do you know about physical labor, not a damn thing!!!
Shame on you!!! You probably use "SCABS" whenever you can to circumvent fair and eqitable wages and benefits!!!
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Posted by Jimmy on 01-07-2004 06:09 PM:
What qualification do you need in order not to be called a scab.
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Posted by Gregg on 01-07-2004 06:57 PM:
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Again it is a saltwater show and you, from what I've seen of your posts on these boards...are mostly a feshwater fisherman...
...... you just noticed now this site is 95% freshwater
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Posted by earthworm77 on 01-07-2004 09:25 PM:
Jimmy, you might qualify as a scab! LOL
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Posted by JOHN G on 01-07-2004 09:38 PM:
boy , is this one going south...fishing deprivation is in full swing this winter! LOL.....
okay: let me summarize: Rich is NOT being antiUnion....union members and their families, keep your shirts on! HAHA.......
he is simply talking about the economic facts of life about trying to pull off an event like this in this particular area.......things that he is more privy to, than most of us.....agreed.........
now: what many of the NYBass members are saying to you Rich, is that, in addition to economic factors of which you pointed out, most of them have the opinion that the show is just not good....yes, a good part of it, is because we are a freshwater fishing group and the Rockland show obviously is more freshwater oriented...
but besides that, I was there that one time, to see and support PatX's seminar and to have lunch with the guys after the event.....
yes, for me the show was lame, I am not into saltwater, and that is probably the biggest factor....my opinion: it also had a rundown honkey tonkish look to it....that is strictly my opinion, so Rich, don't get upset like the union guys!
as in most things in life, it is always a combination of factors: for reasons that we the consumers are not aware of, prices are high, for obvious reasons, freshwater guys are not going to like a saltwater oriented show, and finally, most who went have their entitled personal opinion that it was simply not good......
any further comments on here can do without the personal attacks on Rich which everyone loves to indulge in.....I thought that Nicky was being fair in his criticism......
so instead of just making it another "lets gang up on Rich " type of thing, how about somebody add some positive comments like: what can be done to make the show better and more appealing to more people and Rich, what substitutes or places can make it more affordable to more people!
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Posted by Gregg on 01-07-2004 11:18 PM:
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how about somebody add some positive comments like: what can be done to make the show better and more appealing to more people and Rich, what substitutes or places can make it more affordable to more people!
To attach this crowd or people in general?
If your not switching to freshwater your not getting the majority of this crowd. Consumers in general you need to give them something to come for, if you can't give them major manufactures then you better be giving bargains. John hit it dead on with the "rundown honkey tonkish look" which is not necessary a bad thing. The first time I ever went to a "Market Pro" computer show was very disappointed when I walked in and found out there was no manufactures represented, the place had that honky tonk look too. These show are all over and are making a killing,that was 8 years ago an I still go back WHY bargains.
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Posted by JPBass on 01-08-2004 06:39 AM:
I do quite a bit of saltwater fishing and I still found little of interest at the last Nassau show.
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Posted by Bass Rat on 01-08-2004 12:16 PM:
Take a look at the first few replies. No one said anything about the show costing too much money. It was Rich that brought up the money issue. Reading the entire thread over again I get the feeling that Rich must of heard that complaint some where else (alot) and was trying to bring up points regarding fees (which nobody here mentioned).
John, You want ideas of how to fix the show? Here is my opinion. When I go to one of these things I want to do alot of window shopping and I WANT to spend money there. Come home with a few little trinkets & gadgets.
I would like to see tackle, boat, motor and electronics manufacturers there. I like looking at displays and talking with reps.
I like the off the wall stuff too. Knife, leather, art & equipment vendors. Hell I even like the beef jerky guy.
I want to be entertained for the day and bring home alittle knowledge on gear & a few new toys.
A few quality guest speakers are good too.
That's what I'm talkin about.
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Posted by Lpbassman on 01-08-2004 12:25 PM:
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John, You want ideas of how to fix the show? Here is my opinion. When I go to one of these things I want to do alot of window shopping and I WANT to spend money there. Come home with a few little trinkets & gadgets.
I would like to see tackle, boat, motor and electronics manufacturers there. I like looking at displays and talking with reps.
I like the off the wall stuff too. Knife, leather, art & equipment vendors. Hell I even like the beef jerky guy.
I want to be entertained for the day and bring home alittle knowledge on gear & a few new toys.
A few quality guest speakers are good too.
That's what I'm talkin about.
Nicky,
You should have been to the NY Boat Show. It had EVERYTHING that you want. Oh and by the way---its a UNION show too!
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Posted by Theole34 on 01-08-2004 12:27 PM:
rich -
you should actually post this on all the other sites that are still carrying your articles and posts about the show. if you do a basic search and are looking for a show... it looks as if there is still a show scheduled...
fishbelly
southbaynews
etc.
just a quick heads up to the community that is not "in the know."
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Posted by earthworm77 on 01-08-2004 01:42 PM:
Nick, that Jerky guy was the highlight of the show.
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Posted by Northbass on 01-08-2004 01:51 PM:
Was that jerky guy John G???? LOL!!!
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Posted by Lunker Dave on 01-08-2004 04:31 PM:
The most upsetting part is that I will be able to see and Fish for the half dead Trout in the long swimming pool.
Seriously though. I was facinated with that show as a kid back in the early 90s, but as I grew older and my fishing knowledge and skill increased I found that it could no longer hold my attention. In my opinion people who are just starting out Fishing and Hunting liked the show because it put alot of different aspects of the sports in one place.
Unfortunately in recent years it has changed and sold a more varied selection of products. It seems that most places have had to sell other products to stay in business. For example, Paintball is growing by leaps and bounds on the Island, and in an odd way it fits with the whole outdoors montage. Now stores that just carried Fishing and Hunting equipment also carry Paintball now to bring in some extra business. In turn they also bring those products to the expo which cuts out room for other things like Fishing Tackle. Everyone knows that some tackle stores have a hard time staying in business selling just Fishing tackle especially Freshwater stores. We just dont have that much traffic from people passing through who want to Fish our waters. So in my opinion the show became a product of the constantly changing Long Island Environment.
Now upstate with the Sufferen show people do pass through to fish the big water so naturally the stores upatate will carry a bigger Freshwater selection because they will get the traffic, and thus not have to suppliment the tackle/hunting shop income with something like Paintball, and in turn have more space to sell Fishing Tackle at a show THAT PRIMARILY HAS FISHING TACKLE FOR SALE, and will get the most bang for their buck. Talk about Business 101.
Now I am no expert, but these are just my obervations.
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Posted by JOHN G on 01-08-2004 07:10 PM:
Oh, so now I'm the jerky guy, eh, and I'm not even a union member! LOL!!!!!!!!
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Posted by Kenny C on 01-08-2004 10:10 PM:
Hey John......you evil tyrant......
........I used to like you!!! Just kidding I still do!!! Go easy !!! 
Way too much anti-Union stuff these days!!!
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Posted by Bass Rat on 01-09-2004 07:03 AM:
Yah John, Immagine all the brooms, shovels & picks that would fall over if there was no union guys to hold them up. Doh!!!!!!! I know Kenny gonna "S" over that one. LMAO
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Posted by JOHN G on 01-09-2004 07:36 AM:
remember Jerry "what's the story" who advertised for that electronics store which was only open to union members and their families? that was what I was lightly referring to in my remark....
by the way, I went to that place, because my Father in Law was with the Bridge and Tunnel , so we used his card to get in that store! LOL.......
my Pa-in-law worked his whole life as a toll collector for Whitestone and Hudson Pkwy bridge.....
I myself have never been in a union, as I am self employed and have been since out of school......naturally, I have hundreds of union members who come to my office.....I have always discounted the local unions, Police, firemen, School Maintenance, etc in my office, and belong to several teacher panels also.....
union members are a LARGE part of my clientele....
my Father was self employed when he owned the bar, but when he sold it, he did the last 12 working years of his life in the Post office where he then belonged to a union...my mother is still a member of the Garment Makers union....
I am certainly not anti-union.......but when discussing the inner operations of getting certain things done in our world, union affairs are a big factor, good or bad, as you know.......
and unions, like anything else in our tarnished world, have their share of corruption up top.......
how about a fisherman's union???????????
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Posted by earthworm77 on 01-09-2004 10:31 AM:
There would also be a lot of wasted coffee sitting around with nobodys to drink it. And hours upon hours worth of breaks not taken.
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Posted by Bink on 01-09-2004 01:03 PM:
I once worked for a Track where the "Union" bosses came around once a year and wore Turtle necks and sports coats in mid July. I asked a older co worker why we had dues for a Union that i had frankly never seen or heard from and he pulled me aside and in a nice but firm manner said for me not to worry about it and just don't ask questions about stuff like that. Even at 16 or 17 I thought it strange we sometimes paid our dues out of pocket.LOL
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Posted by thefishingline on 01-09-2004 01:59 PM:
Re: As a Union Vice President!!!
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Originally posted by Kenny C
I take offense that you would bring up as a factor in the cancellation of the Nassau Show that Union Members are on the job!!! You would rather break the backs of unorganized labor and be able to threaten them with losing their jobs if they don't meet some unreal quota set by some fat cat who has no clue what a job really takes to accomplish safely and professionally!!! You say we don't know what it takes to put on a show. What the hell do you know about physical labor, not a damn thing!!!
Shame on you!!! You probably use "SCABS" whenever you can to circumvent fair and eqitable wages and benefits!!!
Again you are taking what I said out of context which is exactly what I asked this thread NOT TO DO. It had nothing to do wiht the cancellation of this show because it was the new prmoters that cancelled the show.
I said the unions ARE a factor into what companies do and do NOT want to attend shows. Read the posts again and you will see your mistake.
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Posted by thefishingline on 01-09-2004 02:04 PM:
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Originally posted by Lunker Dave
The most upsetting part is that I will be able to see and Fish for the half dead Trout in the long swimming pool.
Seriously though. I was facinated with that show as a kid back in the early 90s, but as I grew older and my fishing knowledge and skill increased I found that it could no longer hold my attention. In my opinion people who are just starting out Fishing and Hunting liked the show because it put alot of different aspects of the sports in one place.
Unfortunately in recent years it has changed and sold a more varied selection of products. It seems that most places have had to sell other products to stay in business. For example, Paintball is growing by leaps and bounds on the Island, and in an odd way it fits with the whole outdoors montage. Now stores that just carried Fishing and Hunting equipment also carry Paintball now to bring in some extra business. In turn they also bring those products to the expo which cuts out room for other things like Fishing Tackle. Everyone knows that some tackle stores have a hard time staying in business selling just Fishing tackle especially Freshwater stores. We just dont have that much traffic from people passing through who want to Fish our waters. So in my opinion the show became a product of the constantly changing Long Island Environment.
Now upstate with the Sufferen show people do pass through to fish the big water so naturally the stores upatate will carry a bigger Freshwater selection because they will get the traffic, and thus not have to suppliment the tackle/hunting shop income with something like Paintball, and in turn have more space to sell Fishing Tackle at a show THAT PRIMARILY HAS FISHING TACKLE FOR SALE, and will get the most bang for their buck. Talk about Business 101.
Now I am no expert, but these are just my obervations.
Lunker Dave
Good Pints Dave!!
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Posted by thefishingline on 01-09-2004 02:06 PM:
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Originally posted by Bink
I once worked for a Track where the "Union" bosses came around once a year and wore Turtle necks and sports coats in mid July. I asked a older co worker why we had dues for a Union that i had frankly never seen or heard from and he pulled me aside and in a nice but firm manner said for me not to worry about it and just don't ask questions about stuff like that. Even at 16 or 17 I thought it strange we sometimes paid our dues out of pocket.LOL
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Posted by Kenny C on 01-09-2004 04:47 PM:
Hey Nick..........
.............You're stabbing me in the heart!
LOL!
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Posted by Bass Rat on 01-09-2004 04:51 PM:
KennyC, Who loves ya? You know I'm only breakin em.
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Posted by Gregg on 01-09-2004 06:21 PM:
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