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Posted by JPBass on 2002 PM:

Maho's new rule

The new rule
New ramp fee will be 20 bucks. If you're planning a tournament they want half up front and if you don't show you forefit the 10 spot...........Do they get that many no shows???

But I guess if that's what they want then that they shall have.

No biggie.

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Posted by New Wave 83 on 2002 PM:

20 is alot, i fished better lakes for FREE lol
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Posted by Lpbassman on 2002 PM:

This is really getting sad

Its a shame that too many of the lakes we fish on have such F'n ridiculous launch fees. To pay $20 or $25 bucks (Oscawana & Whaley) for a days fishing is a crime. I have fished a great deal down south in Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama, & Florida and you NEVER see that kind of a launch fee being charged. Half the lakes in these areas even rely on the honor system, (yeah--that'll work up here--LOL), where they TRUST you to pay a $2-$5 usage and parking fee. Hell for 2 bucks a day I'll even pay for Bass Rat's boat. With enough FREE lakes to fish like Bantam, Lily, Candlewood, Zoar, Swingingbridge, Toronto etx etx etc--perhaps its time to send a message to the marinas that are looking to bleed us dry. $20 Bucks--thats half a days worth of Senkos

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Posted by Bass Rat on 2002 AM:

Leigh, Good idea, I think you should skip, Maho, Oscawna & Whaley next year. LOL

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Posted by JOHN G on 2002 AM:

I agree Leigh, it is sad, and that is compounded by the fact that almost every small water I fish with my 12 footer needs some sort of special permit if you want to fish them: Wampus requires a Westchester County permit, 40 bucks for the year, Mohansic requires a Taconic Permit, another 25 bucks, plus 15 more if you want the keyed entry, Harriman, another shot of money plus extra if you want to fish the keyed lakes ( which are the best ones, so the key is a must ).......NYC Reservoir system, no charge but you have to make appointment to have the boat sprayed , have to keep it moored in one location for the whole year, need the special fishing permit and boat permit......and so on and so forth....throw that in with all the ramp fees with these private waters, and we really get screwed down here in our part of the state!!

the only DEC lake in the entire area with uncomplicated free launch is White Pond.....

fishing has become a "privilege" in Westchester county and thereabouts, and in most cases, an expensive privilege.....

I get the Conn out of state everyear, and I must admit , it is a pleasure to simply launch your boat without any fees of any kind other than the license you paid for.....Mamanasco, Pierrpont, Kenosia, Candlewood, Squantz, Lilly....the list goes on, how about Bantam for those who don't mind an extra travel? would never not get the Conn license that is for sure, gives a breath of sanity.....

JOHN G

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Posted by Scully on 2002 AM:

what???????

You guys have to be kidding.... How in the H.E.L.L. can anyone complain about paying $20.00 to fish Lake Mahopac? Some of the posts I have read in this thread are "eye opening" to say the least.

Most of you know I have fished all over the east and northeast. I HAVE NEVER fished any body of water that produces quality fish and the numbers that Lake Mahopac does on such a consistant basis.

Usually, 20 fish a day on this lake is considered the norm. If you caught only 15, you would be lamenting on your way home, what a lousy day you had. AND....most of these fish will be 2 1/2 pounds or better. If you caught 15 fish on Candlewood, you would be calling every friend you had, letting them know how you finally mastered the "Wood".

By the numbers.....Champlain (close), St Lawrence (nope), Oneida(nice try) Cayuga (dont make me laugh)....I could go on. Mahopac wins hands down. THis lake is incredible, and its not half as good as it was in 95. The AVERAGE fish then was 3 pounds. You caught so many 4 pounders you hardly noticed.
The one thing this lake does not seem to have are largemouth that weigh much over 5 pounds.

Many of the fisherman I know come here and expect to do the same things that worked so well for them when the weed was present. They have a bad day or two and ask the question "Whats wrong with Lake Mahopac". While the lake isnt up to the historical standard of the past, its still excellent. You just need to know how to find and target the abundant bounty of this lake.

This spring, I noticed, along with Pat X, the amazing amount of largemouth beds we saw in the lake this year. The third week in May saw so many pairs on beds it was cause for celebration. The lake is LOADED with bass.

And....who said they fish better lakes than this for free???? Not a chance unless your writing your posts from heaven.

Scully

Posted by Scully on 2002 AM:

heres a little tidbit for consumption...

Here are the weights for the Atlantic Bassmasters event this year.

1. 18.11 pounds
2. 16.15 pounds
3. 16.10 pounds
4. 16.01 pounds
5. 15.09 pounds
6. 15.06 pounds
7. 15.03 pounds
8. 14.14 pounds
9. 14.11 pounds
10. 14.07 pounds
11. 14.04 pounds
12. 13.10 pounds
13. 13.06 pounds
14. 12.15 pounds
15. 12.09 pounds

Last place was 12 pounds.....!!!!!!!

Our club has been in existence since 1989. In that time we have had only 10 limits weighed in that were more than 18 pounds. 9 of those came from Mahopac, with a 20.08 being best. We have fished Champlain, Thousand Islands, Oneida, Sandy Pond, Potomac River, Lake Winnipesaukee...etc. Not to mention every body of water that can host a tournament in our area.

I and every member of my club would pay $50.00 to launch there. Food for thought....the fee on Lake Mahopac has been $15.00 since 1986. I think he has a right to raise the fee after 16 years.

Scul

Posted by earthworm77 on 2002 AM:

Scull, I agree. Maho is a great numbers and size lake. I've never had a bad day there and I have a 50 plus fish day there with John G in 2001. I am confident that the lake is not on the decline despite what people say about the absense of vegetation. I would pay the 20.00 for the few times I would be on the lake. Put it this way, chances are you are not fishing alone, split it with your buddy and it is 10.00 bucks....not that bad.
John, Mr. 9-3lber from Wampus....can you dare to complain about paying for a 40.00 permit to fish a lake with the frequency that you did this season? Might it have been worth it for you this season?

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Posted by Bass Rat on 2002 AM:

Scully, I'll see your 50.........

ANGLER
# of Fish
Total Weight
Finish
Points
Big Fish

John Ab.
3 LMB/ 1 SMB
9 lbs. 2.5 ozs.
17th

- 8oz.

Steve A.
5 LMB/ 0 SMB
10 lbs. 7 ozs.
16th

- 12 oz.

Vito A.
5 LMB/ 0 SMB
12 lbs. 5 ozs.
8th
5

Mark C.
DNF
0 lbs. 0 ozs.

Ken C.
5 LMB/ 0 SMB
11 lbs. 6 ozs.
13th

- 4 oz.

Warren E.
5 LMB/ 0 SMB
12 lbs. 12 ozs.
4th
9

Chris G.
5 LMB/ 0 SMB
11 lbs. 8ozs.
12th
1

Marty H.
DNF
0 lbs. 0 ozs.

Joe I.
4 LMB/ 1 SMB
12 lbs. 6.5 ozs.
7th
6

Dean K.
5 LMB/ 0 SMB
12 lbs. 8 ozs.
T-5th
8
- 4 oz.

Anthony L.
5 LMB/ 0 SMB
12 lbs. 3 ozs.
9th
4
- 8 oz.

Dennis M.
4 LMB/ 1 SMB
12 lbs. 2 ozs.
10th
3
- 4 oz.

Dave P.
5 LMB/ 0 SMB
12 lbs. 1.5 ozs.
11th
2
- 16 oz.

Vinny P.
4 LMB/ 1 SMB
12 lbs. 8 ozs.
T-5th
8

Scott P.
4 LMB/ 1 SMB
13 lbs. 0 ozs.
T-2nd
15
- 12 oz.

Pat R.
5 LMB/ 0 SMB
13 lbs. 0 ozs.
T-2nd
15
- 8oz.

Joe R.
5 LMB/ 0 SMB
10 lbs. 12 ozs.
14th

- 4 oz.

Roberto R.
5 LMB/ 0 SMB
10 lbs. 11 ozs.
15th

- 4 oz.

Nick R.
5 LMB/ 0 SMB
15 lbs. 11 ozs.
1st
20
4 lbs. 2 ozs.

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Posted by Rob J in WNY on 2002 AM:

BAH!

The boys at McDonald's Marina have found the boundary between making money and still getting the launch business at $20/boat. It sucks, but it's smart business. They don't care how anyone feels about the price because they know the die hards will still pay it. Sort of 'the only one in town' syndrome going on there as far as Mahopac is concerned. It's a fantastic bass lake, and people with pleasure craft generally have a lot of money. They know what they are doing.

There are plenty of free public launches here in WNY, and the most expensive ones I generally launch from costs $6.00. I really do feel bad for you guys. Heck, I thought that $12 to launch at Swinging Bridge when I was down there this summer was kinda steep (yet, in a way, due to the overall trip, worth it).

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Posted by Scully on 2002 AM:

I ll take that 50 please!!!!

Bass Rat

I believe I will take that bet. By my calculations, my weights are 47 pounds better than yours....lol Please foward all monies to me by US Postal Money Order. hahahha.

Rob.

$20.00 isnt bad when you consider some of the lakes in this area charge more and are not in the same ball park as Mahopac. And for those of you who say....look at Connecticut, you dont have to pay anything to launch at those ramps...I say "You gets what you pay for.".....lol

Scul

Posted by Bass Rat on 2002 PM:

Scully

Oach!!!!

I meant the $20 isn't even a consideration. It's worth it.

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Posted by TVal on 2002 PM:

No free lunch

While you NY guys are enjoying the "free" launches at various Conn. lakes, remember those are my tax dollars helping to pay for the installation and up keep. Don't mind you guys coming over the line at all, just remember it's not a free lunch, or is that launch. LOL
Tim

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Posted by Bass Rat on 2002 PM:

TVal

Give me a call next spring...I'll take you to Maho, on me. Consider it a tax rebate.LOL

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Posted by theole34 on 2002 PM:

tval - i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say.. most ny'rs pay more taxes than the rest of the country. property with 1/4 to 1/2 acre over 10,000$ a year.

connecticut just spends a little more on the things you like. boat ramps.

we tend to repair our own ramps... guys like NR that bring a truckload of stone or dirt to fill in the edge of the concrete to dirt transition. planting grass in the fields adjacent to the ramp on our own. filling in huge divots left by our fellow bassers and pleasure boaters.

i appreciate you paying the taxes to cover my launch. i also pay a little extra for the license and will only get to your state a few times a year.

it all works out.

i'd be glad to take you to maho if we get the boat my dad is working on. he and i are gracious hosts. RB on rye w tomato and pepper. you don't have to bring anything but i like. RB on rye w tomato and pepper. we'll cover the launch. RB on rye w tomato and pepper. ok.

lol

robbie

the 20$ is steep for 8-6 fishing ya know scully. i wouldn't mind th 20$ if they let you out early at sunrise, and off at or after sundown. i know they do a solid for the tx crews, and sometimes for the individual... but sometimes say no. another ramp owner told us no also earlier in the year.

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Posted by BARRY on 2002 PM:

Careful there that could be taken as a bribe. LOL (and I thought that I was a cheap date)

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Posted by bobn on 2002 PM:

a lot of maho fishing next season may hinge on what the local lakeshore residents want to do about the noise and traffic issue-remember my post some time ago with the 2 newspaper articles?-that has not gone away-it is probably on the back burner because of the impending winter-it will be interesting to see what falls out of that one come next year--bobn--11/6--2 pm

Posted by Lpbassman on 2002 PM:

Ray Scully:

Ray, I wont argue with you that Maho is a great place to fish. It most certainley is, but you and some of the other guys are missing my point. Compared to some of the other other states and available DEC FREE--no dinero--nada--gratis launch sites, the costs of launching is starting to get a bit costly. Yeah $20 or $25 bucks is not a whole lot of money, but it is still to much to simply launch a boat.

Rob J:

FYI: There is a FREE DEC ramp at Swingingbridge about a mile and a half further down the road from Starlite & Swingingbridge marinas. Its a good cement ramp with parking for about 30 or so trailers. But....ssshhhh--dont tell no-one. LOL

Bass Rat:

With as far as you have to travel to get to our lakes, you should be concerned about the rising costs of launch fees. Can you see Europe from out of your window?

All I'm trying to say guys is that SOME of the places we like to fish do take advantage of the fact that there is no other option for us to get on the water. Wouldn't it be GREAT if the DEC opened a ramp on Maho, Oscawana and Whaley and we had access to it 24/7 for FREE? I had heard that there was some talk about them doing just that but dont know what happened.

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Posted by Bass Rat on 2002 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by Lpbassman
Wouldn't it be GREAT if the DEC opened a ramp on Maho, Oscawana and Whaley and we had access to it 24/7 for FREE? I had heard that there was some talk about them doing just that but dont know what happened.

No. Then it would be full of cheap nudnicks like you.LOL

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Posted by JPBass on 2002 PM:

quote:

Originally posted by Bass Rat
No. Then it would be full of cheap nudnicks like you

LOL!!!!!!!

So Leigh, I guess a Florida trip is out of the question.

Come on guys. You go with a friend it's 10 bucks each.

Consider all you spend over the course of a year on tackle, boat maintainece, gas, and the like, it's just a drop in the bucket.

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Posted by Scully on 2002 PM:

call me selfish....

I for one would hate it if the DEC, the state, or anyone for that matter put a free and improved launch on Lake Mahopac.

First off, the out cry from the lake owners would be immense. We think its bad now, well that would send them over the deep edge.

Second, there would be twice as many boats, bass, pleasure and those horrible (yellow jackets on water) jet skis to drive a sane man to drink.

At the present, you are allowed only one club tournament a day on the lake. There is some control. If the ramp were free (New York State does not require permits) there would be hundreds of bass boats there each weekend with no control. Going back to the late 80s and early 90s, there were two tournaments a day out of each ramp. Mahopac Marina and McDonalds Marina.

On one particular June day in 94, Atlantic Bassmasters with 16 boats and Black Rock Bassmasters with 14 boats launched out of Mahopac Marine. 18 boats from Long Island Bassmasters launched out of McDonalds Marina. Thats 48 bass boats on the lake at once. Those numbers have since been cut by more than half.

I believe that after 16 years of holding their price down (McDonalds launch fee) has the right to increase its prices.

As mentioned in another post....there is a problem at present with what the lake owners perceive to be "noise polution" and "quality of life" issues caused by the boat traffic on weekends. They have so far singled out only "jet skis", but it wont be long before they come after us. I tried to explain to a home owner on the Lake that Bass Boats only use their gas motors perhaps 10 % during the course of a tournament day, maybe less. She didnt hear a thing I was saying.

WE are under attack every where we go. Its not going to get better, its only going to get worse. Who know how much longer we will be allowed on Mahopac. In speaking with the owner of McDonalds he says...."dont worry", they (the lake association) doesnt have the clout or the $$$ to force him to close the ramp to ANYONE. Enough money can do a lot....Im worried.

I still would rather pay $50.00 to fish Mahopac than to fish Candlewood for free.

Scully

Posted by bobn on 2002 PM:

ray-does mc donalds marina realize that in order to live on lake front property you have to have a few sheckels in your jeans-look at the quality of these homes and some of the people who own them--$$$=clout-don't kid yourself, if these people really get pissed off they will do something about the noise and traffic--all they have to do is put up no parking signs on that road--now what?--or better yet--restricted parking for residents only--that don't take a lot of $$ to do and you are NOT interfering with or closing the launch ramp--bobn--11/6--5 pm

Posted by Lpbassman on 2002 PM:

Ray Scully:

OK Ray, I see your point as to what a free launch on Maho would do. I agree with you in that respect. Did you know that down south a Bass Fisherman can legally shoot jet skiers as long as he uses only a shotgun at close range.

JPBASS:

When do you want to go to Florida? I am dyin to fish the Loxahochie reservour again. Need to land a few more gators--its been a while since I caught one.

Bass Rat:

Being called cheap from a guy who scotch tapes his senkos together so they last longer is a hoot!

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Posted by Scully on 2002 PM:

and then....

bobn

They have been trying everything to force him (McDonalds) to sell for years. I dont know where his power base lies, but he deffinitley has one. Two years ago the lake association, after the terrible death of a youngster who was operating a jet ski, sought to bring local legislation restricting usage of them on the lake.

There is a large " lobby" in Albany that is pro jet-ski. I have been told that its money comes from Pen Yann, Ski Do, and other companies that make jet skis, or parts for them. Thats one of the many reasons that there are few operating rules regarding jet ski use form body of water to body of waterin New York. Vermont and New Hamshire have strict rules regarding their usage.

This "Lobby" according to what I have been told threatened to file a suit against the Mahopac town board if the restriction was passed. The town council and the lake association folded up and went home.

There are a few problems that arise when you try to restrict a certain user group. As long as Mahopac has an open PRIVATE ramp it will be difficult at best to pass any legislation regarding usage. The one thing the town can do however is to restrict parking, as you mentioned. According to McDonalds, he is allowed parking comensurate with his business needs. To restrict that would be to restrict his business. That may be a difficult piece of legislation for the town to pass. Should Artie sell the Marina.....its all over but the crying.

Scul

Posted by bobn on 2002 PM:

ray--that is an eye opener--it's amazing what goes on behind the scenes-i would never have known that-i figured that the residents would have the clout considering their affluence and their power regarding local politics-very interesting-thanks for the heads up--bobn--11/6--6:55 pm

Posted by Kenny C on 2002 PM:

If you don't want to pay.........

........Then stay away.
Ray, I have to put my 2 cents in because my good friend Nick neglected to say that I own the record weight on Mahopac for the Outcast Bass Anglers club at 18 lbs. 7 ozs.
I figured after I read all that banter I had to say something and yes I too would rather pay at Mahopac then launch free in Conn.
As for the guy in Conn. who objects to us NYers using the free launches, my club members and I spend plenty of cash when we stay overnight and patronize all the local restaurants, bars, motels, and tackle shops as well as alot of other local businesses !!! Believe me it is far from free !!!

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Posted by wnybassman on 2002 PM:

Sorry guys, I don't think I would pay $20+ to launch, even on my favorite waters. That is highway robbery. Justify it as you may, but that's alot of dough

The two most expensive places to launch around here are (off the top of my head) are Long Point State Park on Chautauqua Lake (but there are several free ones on the lake as well) and the Small Boat Harbor on Lake Erie. They are each $6. Most pay launches around here are operated by the State Parks Department, but a $49 pass will get you into any of these launches all year long.

And even with these cheap a$$ launch facilities, we still complain!! LOL!

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Posted by Dean on 2002 PM:

It's the nature of the beast Noel. Several of the guys posting in this thread are from Long Island. Nick and I live in Smithtown. That's about 2-2 1/2 hours from Mahopac at 3am.(LOL) You can't launch those bass rigs on any lake here on the island. This is what we love to do, and these are the closest waters and it(mahopac) produces. As much as I love Candlewood, I haven't typically done very well there. Oh well. I'm curious Noel, what's the closest lake for you, Conesus. How long does it take you? Those working man deals you guys do(which I think are very cool) we couldn't even entertain the thought. At this point I'm just sort of stuck here on LI. Until I get a chance to move elsewhere, I'll have to pay the $20.00.

Posted by TVal on 2002 PM:

2 free Maho trips

Thank you Bass Rat and Robbie. At $20.00 a pop, I'll break even on my NY non resident fishing license. LOL.
I like honey mustard on those sandwiches Robbie.
I know living in NY is expensive. Every time I go over the Newburgh bridge on 84, I laugh that they let you in to NY for free, but charge you on the way out.
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Posted by wnybassman on 2002 AM:

I guess I see what you mean Dean. Man, you guys are stuck between a rock and a hard place, and the ramp owners know it! Too bad though

Silver Lake (roughly 700 acres) is 12 minutes down the road. Conesus is second closest at 40 minutes, and Honeoye is exactly one hour as is Lake Ontario. Lake Erie is about an hour and a half. Within two hours, I am launching on about a dozen or more different bodies of water.

Posted by Scully on 2002 AM:

a typical tournament season

Noel

I live on Long Island, not as far out as some, but out there just the same. Here is a list of the Tournaments my club (Atlantic Bassmasters) fished this year and the travel time to each. And their fees

Susquehanna Flats (MD) 4 hrs Free
Bantam Lake (CT) 2 hrs 20 minutes Free
Highland Lake (CT) 2 hrs 40 minutes Free
East Twin Lake (CT) 2 hrs 50 minutes $8
Lake Lillinonah (CT) 2 hrs 10 minutes Free
St Larence River (NY) 7 hrs $6
Greenwood Lake (NY) 2 hrs $15
Lake Mahopac (NY) 1 hr 40 minutes $15
Candlewood Lake (CT) 2 hrs Free
Hudson River (NY) 2 hrs 15 minutes $10
Sandy Pond (NY) 5 hrs 30 minutes $7
Copake Lake (NY) 2 hrs 45 minutes $20

Unfortunately we dont have all those wonderful bodies of water you guys have out west. My good friend lives in Fair Haven NY and belongs to Port City Bassmasters. Within 30 minutes of his house his club could hold a 10 tournament season on excellent bodies of water and not pay one nickel to launch. The same is not true for the bass fisherman who live on Long Island.

Scully

Posted by Bass Rat on 2002 AM:

Copak lake

Scully, Can you tell me a little about this lake?

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Posted by bobn on 2002 AM:

noel--another disadvantage, although some may say it is minor, is our parkway system in southern ny-these roads may be the most direct way to some of these lakes and ponds but you cannot take a trailer on them-you have to find your way using secondary roads which add a lot of time to the trip--bobn--11/7--9:25 am

Posted by Scully on 2002 AM:

for a small fee....

Bass Rat

Nick...I could tell you about Copake, but then I would have to kill you. lol

Great lake, though quite small. Its only 374 acres. No weeds and plenty of docks. Its about the same distance as East Twin.
It has both smallmouth and largemouth in good quantity. Plenty of keepers in the 1 to 2 pound range with just enough quality bass to require a 15 pound bag to win. 17.08 (the Pepes) won our club tournament this year. 2nd place was 17.05. George Pepe had lunker, a 6.06 beauty. One team weighed in 13.10 pounds of smallmouth. A nice lake, though the ramp sucks.

Scul

Posted by Seth V on 2002 AM:

I think many of you "New Yorkers" have become sensitized to the madness. $20 for a launch? For one day? yeah right.

Yes, the fishing is good, but I think we all pay plenty of taxes....fuel, property, sales, income, death..... The ramps/access here in NY are pathetic when you consider the amount of $$ we already pump into the DEC.

I am a lakefront homeowner. I say let 'em scream. The lake is still public, the homeowners do not own the water, or even have an easement to it. Sure, they think they own it, but that is a different argument all together.

I think of all of the access sites in the southern states.....plenty of dock space away from the ramps, low fees and well maintained, all while having lower taxes and licence fees. How do they do it?

Geesh, I thought the $49 empire pass was steep....

Seth V

Posted by Rob J in WNY on 2002 AM:

quote:

Originally posted by Seth V
...I think we all pay plenty of taxes....fuel, property, sales, income, death.....

Funny, Seth! I got a chuckle from that one!

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Posted by Scully on 2002 AM:

all in a days fun....

Seth

When you take into account the gas for your vehicle to and from Lake Mahopac (1 hr 40 minute drive) both ways....approximately 130 miles at a projected cost of $25.00 plus tolls that add up to $11.00 and a ramp fee of $20.00 thats a total expenditure of $56.00. Thats a split with your partner of $28.00 for the day. Where else can you spend $28.00 for a whole day and have so much fun.

Dinner and a movie costs more.
Going to see your favorite Team play costs more.
Hell, 2 packs of cigarettes, coffee and lunch costs more.

You pay more than that for a HALF DAY of fishing on a charter boat/party boat in the salt water.

If you ask me to fish lake Mahopac.....its a HUGE bargain. Besides...where forgetting one thing. Doesnt the PRIVATE ramp owner have a right to make a living?

Scully

Posted by TVal on 2002 AM:

It's All Scully's fault

Just heard that our re-elected gouverner was reading this post and when he saw Scully's tourny list with most of the Conn. sites listed as "FREE", and a 800+ million dollar budget deficit staring him in the face, he issued an executive order that from now on all out of state boats can still launch for free, but the state will charge you $20.00 to take your boat out. Plus he's working out a deal with the local Hell's Angels to patrol the parking lots at the big lakes and siphon gas out of the vehicles with trailers, so you'll be forced to buy some of our high taxed gas. The gouv. who has a cottage on Bantam's north bay, said he will personally be at the Bantam ramp this spring to collect the fees, along with the state police SWAT team for back up.
So unless you you want the fees to go up to $50. a boat, keep on coming to Foxwoods & Mohegan Sun.
After all, we count on those slot machine millions every month to keep us out of the poor house.
Good fishing!
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Posted by Scully on 2002 PM:

its all my fault

TVal

Your quite correct, it is my fault. The Governor (Who is the Governor of Ct anyway?) has consented to ALLOW me to collect the ramp fees next year at ALL Connecticut Lakes. Just pull up to the red Chevy Van with the $$$ signs in the window and hand me your $20.00. Ok, on Mamanasco you only have to give me $5.00

Scul

Posted by Seth V on 2002 PM:

Scully,

You are right, I don't think is the money, rather it is the principal of the matter. Sure, I can afford to spend the $20, but should I? I have launched at many local marina's, and have paid between 3 and 7 bucks, and many have a $20/year permit. I like to fish for fun after work, how many of us want to pay that fee just for 2 or 3 hours of use? It really is not the marina owners fault, they are trying to make a buck, and know that anglers will pay. It is a shame that the DEC has not done more for you down-staters.

Does this marina offer a yearly permit? If not, someone could possibly ask them too. Shoot, at $100 year unlimited launches, it sounds like you guys would come out ahead!

Seth V

Posted by bobn on 2002 PM:

i think the lake oscawana seasonal launch fee is more in the $400.00 area-if you could get a seasonal launch ticket down here for $100.00 it would be the biggest bargain of the century!--bobn--11/7--2:10 pm
ps-their launch fee is $25.00 a pop

Posted by Scully on 2002 PM:

no yearly fee

Seth

There is no yearly fee. Great idea though.

bobn

Some news about Oscawana......rumor has it the owners have it up for sale. That doesnt bode well for anglers I assure you. Only Perrys desire to keep it out of the hands of the Lake Association prevented closure last time. At least thats what I was told.

Scully

Posted by bobn on 2002 PM:

ray-i thought these guys just bought the place-i was up there just to check it out awhile ago-the launch and docks looked pretty good to me-especially for smaller boats-one of the guys (owner?) said that an early launch time was no problem-just let them know in advance and they would leave the launch open-bobn--11/7--4:55 pm

regarding the cost to launch:

if we don't patronize these places and the owners aren't making any money, what's the sense of staying open when perhaps a developer with deep pockets wants the place and is willing to pay big?--say good by to yet another place to fish

Posted by Pete L on 2002 PM:

If anyone wants to BUY thier own marina , the Oscawana Lake marina IS for sale. My office has the listing!!!!
First 1,500,000.00 takes it!!!!!!

They do have a 400.00 a year pass , or you can store your ROWBOAT there for approx, 400.00 per year.
I believe dock spaces are 2,500 for the season.

Prices may be high , but they have a lot of operating expenses
also.

For a full day of fishing it`s still not a bad deal , but for the guy that can only get out for a couple of hours at a time, its a tough nut!!!

Pete

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Posted by bobn on 2002 PM:

pete-is that price negotiable?-maybe a few of us could get together and----------yeh right--bobn--11/7--6:30 pm

Posted by Paul at home on 2002 PM:

TVal-

The ramps that most out of state bass anglers use in CT are Squantz and Latin's. I can assure you not one dollar of your precious tax money goes to maintain either one. In fact the state prevented major repairs to the ramps that would have been at zero cost to the taxpayer. The prop and glass guys love the steady source of work.

The state when they are able to staff are able to charge $8 for out of staters, $4 in state to park in a boulder field. A great deal of revenue is missed because they don't get there till 8am. The porta potty's have only been there for 4 or 5 years now. Prior to that is was the bushes. They are unable to charge to launch beause the ramp construction was at least partially subsidized by federal money (tax on fishing/hunting goods) with strings attached, which was collected from every state. If this were not the case I feel Latin's would be done.

Paul

Posted by Gregg on 2002 PM:

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Originally posted by bobn
pete-is that price negotiable?-maybe a few of us could get together and----------yeh right--bobn--11/7--6:30 pm

Well wait now NYbass has how many members 730 or so how much does that come to per person.

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Posted by Kenny C on 2002 PM:

Oscawana and the DEC

It may take some time, but I was told that if the marina at Oscawana was to shut off access the DEC would develope a launch on some state land that they are supposed to have somewhere along the shoreline. That is why the Lake Association did not want Perry to close down, and if that is true I think they may not mess with the operation or want it to change. After all, the way it is now not that many boats are there on any given day. What can we do but hope for the best !!! AND IF I HIT THE LOTTO I WILL BUY IT AND FISHERMAN GET FREE ACCESS AND JET SKIS WILL PAY $200.00 IF THEY WANT TO LAUNCH !!!

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Posted by Pete L on 2002 PM:

Kenny - i wish you the best on the lottery!!! I would even be willing to cut part of my commision for a fellow NYBASSER.
Provided of course that i get a free boat slip.

Of course if I win ................

One way or the other , the marina will not be going anywhere.
Bussiness has only been getting better , and these guy`s have put a lot of work into and plan even more.

Pete

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Posted by Bass Rat on 2002 PM:

Pete, If they are planning a ton more work & buisness is good, why are they selling?

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Posted by Kenny C on 2002 PM:

Hey Pete.....You got it !!!

The slip is yours, Pete !!!
My wife swears that she is going to hit the lottery for big money, she already knows that I need her to do it now, maybe it wont be right away but in 26 years of marriage she has never let me down......I guarantee there wil be some very happy bass fishermen if that dream comes true !!!

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Posted by Pete L on 2002 PM:

Nick - Thats the million and a half dollar question!!!!

Best i can find out , is some partnerships just don`t work!

Thay are willing to do the financing though .

Kenny - If i don`t win , it should at least be another bass fisherman

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Posted by JOHN G on 2002 PM:

how the hell did that guy come up with the money needed to buy it in the first place? and who would want to buy a damn rundown marina if they had that much money to invest in the first place...beats me.....

Earthy: it is not the price of any ONE thing, it is the cumulative price of everything..

POINT: 40 bucks for the season at Wampus is not a bad deal......20 bucks to launch at Maho, if you have a great day doesn't seem so bad.....and so on,,,,BUT TAKE ALL OF THEM ALL TOGETHER, MULTIPLY BY THE NUMBER OF LAUNCHES.....and then compare your yearly total to someone like NOEL out there in WNY and it just seems bad in a relative sense.....that is what we were talking about.......

the fact remains, that whether you think it is a bargain or not, downstaters pay way more for the "privilege" to fish than do people in the rest of the state......

and here is another caveat:

WHAT DOES MCDONALDS MARINA DO FOR ME FOR THAT 20 BUCKS????? The ramp sucks, there is no assistance should you need it, they do nothing to improve the fishery, Mahopac being worth it to fish has nothing to do with any of their efforts....they are the only show in town, have the rights and can basically call their price....we are lucky, if you think of it, that they didnt raise it to 25..... I am still going to fish it, for sure..so they would make even more money.......

JOHN G

Posted by NYBassAngler on 2002 AM:

Location Perspectives

In the metro area you will pay. period.

But maybe if you consider what they do in Cali you will not feel so cheated. All the the lakes in Cali are man-made with a few exceptions like Clear Lake and the Delta.

The many (lake managements) not only charge a steep lauching fee on these waters but also a daily fishing permit is required(anywhere from $6-$10 per person) to fish over crowded lakes.

I've launched on many free excellent lauches in western NY and Champlain but will allmost gladly pay 20 beans and use a "crooked" launch in my home area.

Too, paying for yearly permits for park lakes(ex. Harriman) are worth every penny. I've fished many days with out seeing another boat.

Posted by JOHN G on 2002 AM:

Alex, there is not doubt that a Harriman Permit is a bargain, considering the choices and as you said the ususal lack of serious fishing pressure....again, my point was that individually all of these things are not bad, it's just that collectively we have to pay something for all of them, whereas in other parts of the state that is not an issue...but , Hey, this is what we have and this is what we deal with.....we deal with Metropolis every time we do anything in NYC....it just goes with the territory...... JOHN G

Posted by thefishingline on 2002 AM:

If you guys and gals have the guts to do it, boycott the lake at Maho and others, don't buy gas or tackle at any of the marinas or stores of that area as well and send them a message and see how fast their income dries up and the income for the tackle shops around the area.

Don't let the shops off the hook because they are as much of the problem as the marinas..

When they mnake a small % of what they did the year before they may get the message, if not, they start to go down the tubes.

I still can't understand why McDonalds dosen't open before 9 a.m.

If you insist on fishing the lake and have a tourney (Never understood why you continue to have it there) there if they want that much money they should open at the crack of dawn.

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Posted by JPBass on 2002 AM:

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Originally posted by thefishingline

If you insist on fishing the lake and have a tourney (Never understood why you continue to have it there) there if they want that much money they should open at the crack of dawn.

They do for tournaments.

Boycott Maho? Not likely. As many pointed out they coulda charged 50 bucks and there'd still be nowhere to park .

Besides the money they make on the launch fees of fishermen is but a small part of their annual income. Doubt if they would even notice we were gone.

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