Posted by FlaBigMouth on 2002 PM:

Is a Guide an Angler ?

I wonder if I have a popular view. It seems out of place to have a for-hire guide submit regular reports about how fantastic and superior the fishing is in his claimed locale of expertise.

Other threads are from "anglers" with no "axe to grind" spreading hopefully objective reports that we can relate to more readily.

Just wondering if others share this view, and if so, maybe JohnG should be aware of the consensus of opinions.

Posted by theole34 on 2002 PM:

you are registered for 2 weeks, do not live in NY, and your profile interests list ballbreaking......

but, i won't knock YOUR posts, because EVERYONE's opinion and posts are of value here.

if you do not care for a particular post... don't read it. skip the ones you dislike and move on to the ones that you like.

cheers

robbie

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Posted by FlaBigMouth on 2002 AM:

Thanks Robbie. I'll count you as one nay vote. I'm thinking I may have a fresh perspective on this one issue. That's all.

It really does appear out of place to me. Anyone who wants to hear an amateur's experience here, feel free.

Keep warm.

Posted by Paul Mattie on 2002 AM:

#2 Nay vote is right here. Along with what Rob says if you would have gone back an done a search on your topic you would have know how redundant and useless your post is. Go play somewhere else if you don't have anything constructive to add.

Posted by Bass Rat on 2002 AM:

BigMouth, To answer your question as stated:
Is a Guide an Angler ? The answer is yes.

But I got the feeling that's not your real question. My take on your post was that you where asking if a guide has a right to post a fishing report. Is this a true assumption?

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Posted by bink on 2002 AM:

I too am intrested why you would ask such a question but I must also say that Robbie your response sounds more like the kind I see at Bronzeback, I dont live in NY and at one time I had only been registered for two weeks and I had stupid questions. If I am a guide and I post about the great fishing on lake so and so I might not attract more fisherman to use my service but I might get more "regular" fisherman on my lake of choice.

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Posted by theole34 on 2002 AM:

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you are registered for 2 weeks, do not live in NY, and your profile interests list ballbreaking......

this has to do with a pair of guys from fla battling out over a fishing report. we have been there, done that.

bink ... did your profile list ballbreaking, and did you come on a board with nothing but complaints the first few weeks??? i don't think so. big difference.

i believe that a person should be respectful if looking for answers.

flabigmouth is in a heated exchange with hugh. the subject has been beaten to death and now he wants everyones opinion as to whether he was or is right or wrong.

my opinion is anyone can post and anyone can read... the old turn the channel line. if he's not happy that hugh posts... don't read it. some hidden agendas there.

read, post, or just move on. either way i don't shive a git. just answered his question with my opinion, and i don't think i was disrespectful. i believe i used the truth, and my opinion together in a very straight, honest response. read what i wrote again.

robbie

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Posted by bink on 2002 AM:

I wont get into a argument about listing "Ballbreaking"in a profile but he does(in same profile)mention he lived in NY untill moving south in 78 I believe. if he is having some type of pissing contest with someone I missed it(gladly) and should be told to take it off line. I guess I took offense at the first line from you response about not living in NY being new and what is listed on his profile, IMHO those things mean little.

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Posted by Scott E. on 2002 AM:

A question about fishing guides having the right to posting fishing reports

FlaBigMouth,

I would have to say that yes they should have the right to do so if they are giving credible information and not just making up a report to advance their business, but how do you determine a good report from a bogus report?

That is a tough question to answer but with the many post and reports I have read, I try read a little between the lines and try to separate fact from fiction, unless I know the person posting the report, I may not know them personally but you learn who to trust and those not to trust, almost instinctively.

I had my own fishing website and had a couple guides who posted reports on my site, they were actually very good reports with much information on the water that they fished along with digital photos of the fish they caught, did I trust them as far as what they were posting? Yes, very much so, did I think it helped their business? Yes, of course it may have but it may have helped those that went fourth themselves and try to fish those waters, now whether those who did were successful or not was another story, that depended on the person who had the rod in his hands experience.

Anytime you hire a guide you should check them out not just read a few reports by them, how much experience do they have? What lakes or rivers do they fish, Do they require you to bring your own tackle or do they supply adequate tackle for the species you seek?

As far as John G. and the consensus of opinions here, I would tread lightly on that subject as you seem to have an axe to grind or you may want to try breaking someone elses balls, but not on this site!!!

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Posted by Sean Heitman on 2002 AM:

LET THE BUYER BEWARE!!!

All posts are up to interpritation of the reader.

Also..if a guide is worth anything..that guide will let you know if the fishing is bad or not.

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Posted by theole34 on 2002 AM:

i fished a drift boat guided trip in july. the guide brought us to the river, brought the boat, the gear (we used mostly his gear), he put the boat in, and the when took off. he supplied lunch, and friendly chat.

most of all... he shared his spots, knowledge, and showed us some techniques that worked well.

in that case guide = angler.

before using the guide i checked around and found he recieves rave reviews. you have to do your homework. the catching report of a guide can be seen as an adertisement... or a helpful aid to another fisherman... or a diversion.

quote:

LET THE BUYER BEWARE!!!

All posts are up to interpritation of the reader.

Also..if a guide is worth anything..that guide will let you know if the fishing is bad or not. ----scott

well said... by a guy that guides and owns a lodge!!!!!

the catching info posted is only for entertainment value to me unless pics are posted. i don't belv most catching reports, but that is my opinion. i have seen what guys call a 3lbr, 5lbr.. etc. very few guys amaze me with their ability to count and measure.... not a hurt, just an opinion.

a picture is worth a thousand words!!!!

but i like to read the reports and fantasize about catching the fish. then i go out and catch a couple with my partner and i am happy for a day or two.

robbie

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Posted by Travis on 2002 AM:

FBM

Folks take things a bit differently over here ehh ?

See you on RS and feel free to return here when the feeling strikes.

T

Posted by JPBass on 2002 PM:

FBM's discontent with Huge is in regards to a reply he made to a post made by myself and Hooked Solid suggesting a lake other than the one he guides on. Hugh's reply was somewhat less than flattering to myself, Paul (hooked Solid) and New Yorkers in general.

This board's long term policy has been to avoid personal confrontations. It's a good policy. The post is deleted now so I suggest we all get over it........I have

Wouldn't be a bad idea if John's delete finger found it's way down here.

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Posted by Gregg on 2002 PM:

We've been down this road before

when I called his post spam, but what we found out is people are intrested in reading them. So John has deemed them OK.
To Hugh credit he has come back and answered questions, if you followed the last thread some go info on fishing live shinners was given out (well at least I learned something).

So lets not jump on FBM so fast either.

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Posted by JOHN G on 2002 PM:

Guys, I apologize for coming on a little late in this thread: anyway, to clear things up.....

1. consensus of opinions might apply very well to a democracy, but on here, I am the evil tryrant and as such take liberties accordingly! LOL.....

2. Several of our members have vouched for Hugh's service....since FLaBigMouth has only been on for a short while , he is unaware of such past history discussed already

3. Mr Crumpler has an extemely impressive history in the bass fishing world, and I have exchanged numerous emails with him and I do believe that he posts informative reports on a fishery that several of our members do frequent every year and that many plan to frequent and as such, I have deemed it okay for the board. if it constantly brought forth trouble, I could change that opinion, but right now, I am sticking by it.

I have the feeling that FlaBigMouth can certainly also contribute worthwhile information to this board for many of the same reasons, and I would like to see him get active on the tackles and tactics section where people from many states hash around ideas on bass techniques and gear.....

JOHN G

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Posted by FlaBigMouth on 2002 PM:

Thank you guys. I had a question in my mind as far as the propriety of what I read as advertising, being in with the "angler's" sharing of their experiences.

You've expressed your views. Its your site.

The stick marsh is a good place to fish. I live 7 miles from there and rarely go there. Usually at the insistance of another angler who has not been there. There are uncountable good places to fish in this area.

That said, the pissing contest is over.

Keep warm.

Posted by earthworm77 on 2002 PM:

I am against people coming on the board and advertising in hit and run posts. If you have something to offer the general population and also mention a service or product you provide, so be it. All too many people have come and gone after trying to sell their snake oil and I think most guys just get tired of it. I've never fished with Hugh, but I've heard of him and the reports are good. I've fished with several other guides in Florida. The best one I went out with is a guy who originally came from NY. His name is John McCardell. I was in Ocala for 3 days with him and he opened my eyes to some great stuff about 10 yrs ago. He didn't bullshit me with the..."oh we got two ten pounders yesterday....only to have a cold front blow through last night" like they almost always tell you. He was upfront and we did well for three days. I missed your debate with Hugh.

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Posted by Sean Heitman on 2002 AM:

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Originally posted by theole34

well said... by a guy that guides and owns a lodge!!!!!

robbie

Just to clarify....I am not a guide......I do alot of business with guides.....mosstly with guides who fish for salmon and steelhead in a river system. I do know a couple who will call you adn say..."Stay home"

Although I am not a guide....Ill go fishing with most anyone who wants to wet a line just for fun!!!!!

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